Posts by DannyBloem

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Is there a freedom of choice? (rree will)

by DannyBloem in

some time ago, i had a discussion with a college, a creationist, who belived that everything was already known before it happened.

(predestination).. not many people believe that there is no freedom of choice.

it is also the wts doctrine.

DannyBloem

He knows what your choice is going to be, no matter what that choice will be.

IMHO, this means that the choice is known in advance, so then it can not be a matter of free-will.

I think free-will and a god that knows the future are mutually exclusive

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long time sister told me yesterday that end would be here within 7 years!!

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

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i went to the meeting yesterday because the out of town speaker and his wife are good friends of my wife and i. after the meeting we got invited to someones house who was feeding the speaker because they know that we are friends and because ive missed lots of meetings in the last two months and my wife and i need a good love bombing!

well during our lunch i was complaining about my having braces at 30 and how stupid i looked with them and the 83 year old sisters house we were at told me that i wasted my money on them because the end would be here with 7 years anyway.

i asked her "do you really think so?

DannyBloem

You can make a bet with her.

But I do not think she is going to make the seven years herself. So that is a bit useless...

Imaginge what she could have done with the 50+ years she's served the borg. So sad really .

Is it really? She maybe had a very happy life,and pioneering maybe she though it was very fullfilling her dreams. That they were based on a lie, so what. Is that not with 90% of the people? And most of the other 10% are also using ther life useless.

Danny

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Is there a freedom of choice? (rree will)

by DannyBloem in

some time ago, i had a discussion with a college, a creationist, who belived that everything was already known before it happened.

(predestination).. not many people believe that there is no freedom of choice.

it is also the wts doctrine.

DannyBloem

Thank to MJ,

I put this question more or less on a basis that I wanted to know two things

1) How somebody can combine the doctrine of pre-destination or ordination with the free will

2) Where the free will comes from. This is more a scientific question.

Forme,I do not see the bible as my autority, so a discussion about the exact meaning of some single verses is meaningless for me,as I think it can be interpreted in many ways.

Danny

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Is there a freedom of choice? (rree will)

by DannyBloem in

some time ago, i had a discussion with a college, a creationist, who belived that everything was already known before it happened.

(predestination).. not many people believe that there is no freedom of choice.

it is also the wts doctrine.

DannyBloem

Thank you MJ,

How does someone who denies foreknowledge or foreordination explain:
Eph 1:4-8-
4 For he chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he [ 3 ] predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will

How do you explain the belief in pre-destination with the free will?Or is there no free will.

Can we really make a choice? Or according to you God has already choosen,and whatever we do is irrelevant?

Danny

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how about genetic manipulation?

by DannyBloem in

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what is your view on it?

(i do not know the dub view, but is it not important for me).

for food: ok. foor animals: ok. for humans: ok

DannyBloem

As a consumer, one of the problems I have with G.M. foods is that the lable dosent have to say if its G.M. or not, so as consumers were not given a choice, and that bothers me, and i'm sure it bothers others who would rather not use those products.

This is maybe something that should be done. The consumer must have the choice. But there are more things that should be told on the label then.

like the old saying says "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I think with a attitude like that we would still be living in the middle ages

Thare ain't nothing wrong with our food, plain and simple GREED !!!

Of course there is a lot of greed involved, although this has not so much to do with GM. I mean GM is not the source it is used wrongly in some cases, as many other things.

Danny

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JW Church to have 9,000 pound stone, adorned with 23-karat gold leaf!

by Voyager in

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is having a 9,000 pound stone (sign) adorned in 23-karat gold leaf really necessary for (true) worship?.

please go here at read the (last) paragraph!.

http://helenair.com/articles/2005/06/17/top/a01061705_05.txt .

DannyBloem

the article says

Thursday's crew worked on a 9,000-pound stone sign for the church, which will be adorned with 23-karat gold leaf.

Addorned with not in.

I do not think this is a big deal.

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Is there a freedom of choice? (rree will)

by DannyBloem in

some time ago, i had a discussion with a college, a creationist, who belived that everything was already known before it happened.

(predestination).. not many people believe that there is no freedom of choice.

it is also the wts doctrine.

DannyBloem

Yes LittleToo, I mean 'fore-ordination', although I do not know how you can have predestination without fore-ordination. It seems for me they are connected.

Anyway most people do not believe in fore-ordination, it is also not a JW doctrine. But where (scientifically) does the freedom to chooce come from? Or it is just only a illusion?

Danny

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how about genetic manipulation?

by DannyBloem in

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what is your view on it?

(i do not know the dub view, but is it not important for me).

for food: ok. foor animals: ok. for humans: ok

DannyBloem

Hi Accadian,

Thank you for the info about GM food. I still feel that GM is very important and that it is part of a totally different future. I never claimed that all GM foods will be safe or that there will never be any risks or even disasters. There will probably be. That still is not a reason IMHO to stop researching ths subject.

GM food is not nessesary safe. True, just the same as natural food.

Fact: Safety comes from accumulated experience. In the case of genetic engineering, there has not been the time or the public debate essential for accumulating sufficient experience to justify any broad claim to safety.

The only way to know how safe it is, is to try and experiment with it. Public debade will not help to determine the savety. Experimenting will. And that is just my view, that experimenting is very important.

Danny

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The conventions

by Texas Flood in

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what do you guys do to pass the time if you decide to go?

i usually walk around the complex a zillion times..great excercise!

getting the first clap..oh man one time i got my whole section clapping at an inappropriate part lol.

DannyBloem

PLay Buzzword bingo.

Each person writes down 10 buzzwords or nonsense statements. When the speaker uses one, you stratch that one from the list. If you are the first one to have emptied your list you scream as hard as you can 'BIngo' and you are the winner

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Young People Ask...

by Markfromcali in

the genetic manipulation thread got me thinking about this: as the times change, there will no doubt be more and more things the wts frowns upon, and these might be phrased in the ypa format similar to a list such as "you might be a redneck jedi if ..." so how about it?

i can't think of much now, but one elder once expressed that he didn't want his daughter to have a cd player.

it doesn't have to be technological, there's the social stuff... i know some of this has been done before so lets put it all in one thread!

DannyBloem

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