Excellent job! The younger one may one day think about what you have said.
Maybe that is how the non jw community can reach more jw's, speak only to the 'secondary' jw at the door, make him/her answer instead of the more obnoxious one.
Posts by carla
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5Awarded a Badge of Honour - I'm an 'Apostate'
by Joe Grundy in(i never was a jw).. just had a d2d (fs) visit.
older guy (said he's been in since 1958 and is an elder) with a younger guy (20 or so).
looking out at the street i obviously drew the short straw because further down the street was a pair of not unattractive younger women jws.
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2 Faced JWs and Thanksgiving
by minimus inmany jws enjoy turkey on thanksgiving day and are often discreet about their indulgences.
why be two faced?
why try to excuse it?.
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carla
I didn't, I gave up after he could not get past a 'new moon'. He was just deflecting because he could not answer anything with a reasonable answer. I naturally knew the jw reasons for things but once the glassy eyes and jw look came across his face there was no talking to him. Now, we try not to discuss anything jw and life is much better! Our kids who are all grown up now have also given up trying to reach him and do not allow him to bring jw literature into their homes. (and yes, had a lovely Thanksgiving with family at my house! shh, don't tell the elders)
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2 Faced JWs and Thanksgiving
by minimus inmany jws enjoy turkey on thanksgiving day and are often discreet about their indulgences.
why be two faced?
why try to excuse it?.
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carla
WingCommander pointed out the following scripture; "Colossians 2:16 says, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by food, drink, a religious festival, New Moon celebration or Sabbath day." -- I brought this up to my jw years ago and he just freaked out about the 'new moon' thing and would not get over it. "You mean you think you can celebrate a new moon now??!!!!!!!" and on and on.......... totally ignored the rest of the scripture in usual jw fashion. Enough blustering and people give up because it feels much better to stop hitting your head against that wall.
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Why dont U.S. JW's Celelbrate Thanksgiving
by stan101 ini remeber the old young people ask book had an entry that explained why each holiday was bad.
i was searching for it today on jw.org and it looks like the new young people ask has ommited that section.
im just curiouse why jw's dont celebrate the holiday..
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carla
Because they are thankless lot! They would rather bitch about everything and how horrible everything is. Thanksgiving reminds some how blessed they really are and we all know jw's do not approve of a positive attitude towards life.
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carla
If they grabbed a shovel and shoveled their way to someone's door perhaps the householder would be willing to listen to the spiel! I think the Mormons would offer to shovel people out, they are helpful that way.
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Chuck Morse Interviews Barbara Anderson "WatchTowers CHILD ABUSE Reporting Policies"
by OUTLAW ini`ve just received this from barbara anderson..it`s her interview with radio personality chuck morse..thanks barbara!...
morse, who is known for his free-wheeling and insightful intellectual style, was named to the list of heavy 100 radio talk show hosts by talkers magazine, and as the national right to work committee communicator of the year in 2003.
"i have developed a reputation for inviting guests who express opinions on all sides of issues.
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carla
It would be nice if enough so called apostates (and others) would click on the video and make it go viral.
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"You have to find out her fears and exploit that. What is her worst fear?"
by cognac inliterally, a text message to my husband from one of his "friends".
he also wrote, "it's in her hands.
it's her move now.
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carla
In my thoughts Cognac, hope you are doing ok.
I don't understand why many of you think this was outrageous behavior for the jw friends, I thought this was par for the course and quite regular behavior on the part of jw's. It is my opinion anyway, from all the stories on the boards and my own experience with jw's when my jw first joined up and I was opposed. In fact it is exactly this kind of story that I relate when speaking about jw's to non jw's who know nothing about the org. To me this IS the cult mentality. This 'religion' regularly breaks up families and causes lifelong hurt and damage to relationships. They do not allow natural affections if it gets in the way of their agenda.
It can be fought and won but is a hellish ride in the meantime. The jw may still stay in but a truce of sorts can be found and life can continue and even be good, not the same but good nontheless. Relationships are never the same once jw's become involved.
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Elders are going to the CO on me
by cognac ini celebrated halloween and my birthday and the elders have been told.
husband told the elders i've called the religion a cult.
they said i'm "heading down a road to be an apostate.
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carla
get your ducks in a row sooner rather than later legally! see my earlier post on free consultation with a lawyer and there are a few others out there if you Google it, some can direct you to an attorney who is familiar with the jw situation.
I know somebody who went through an ugly divorce and the spouse could not move more than 50 miles away from the original home, then it was 150 miles, the spouse moved just to make life difficult even though the ones really suffering was the kids.
There have been threads in the past where a judge ruled that the kids could not be raised in jw but it was a long hard battle but worth it in my opinion. Good luck.
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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society
by OrphanCrow inthe watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.
the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.
it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .
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carla
How would a current jw spin this? --"jw's do not serve in the US Military but we ALL do alternative service....."? or would they be horrified?
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"It's the intent that counts and not the result."
by donny in"it's the intent that counts not the result.".
i have been out of the jw organization for some 22 years now and i sometimes get a reminding jolt out the hoops that some will jump through to make their religion make sense to them.
the first line in this post is what a jw on the street here in salinas told me on saturday when trying to justify the society's history of false prophecies.
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carla
Excellent! hope it makes him think.