i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.
he does not exist.
there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.
Among ancient proples one of the symbols for wisdom was the serpent, or snake if you prefere. Rember there are TWO Creation stories in Genisus.
Do I believe in an evil spirit out to get me? No. I don't think that we mean much to spirits... it would be like humans trying to go after ants....( Soldier77 )...exactly, enough evil goes on in the world there is no need for a "Ringleader", besides all of us, at some point in our lives, have displayed a satan attitude toward God.
an answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
I thank you deeply for respecting my feelings and those of others in this thread, truly, Thank You....(PS)...Good, glad you felt comfotable with sharing your experence.
...I guess our loving Creator does speak to us, each in our own way, in order that we each hear His message in a way that we can realise and understand....(andrekish)...like your summary, thanks for sharing....
looking out his studio's street-side window, marcel squints as diminishing afternoon rays of a limping, hazy sun come slicing through half-opened blinds.
some men, he had read [for none had ever declared this truth to the young writer personally], write in a darkened box of a room to fend off all possible distraction from the proper conception and development of their little tales.
that, marcel pondered, was too simplistic an accounting of how one's thoughts truly do go to paper.
CoCo you have a PM......
hi guys, i'm new to the forum.
i'm looking for anyone in the dallas area that has left jw's for any reason and has since learned the real truth about the watchtower and jw doctrine.
i've never been involved with jw myself, but my fiancee grew up as a jw and is having thoughts of going back.
Once again bttt.
the greatest benefit to come from jehovah's witnesses was the introduction of honest investigation into the.
claims of christianity based on the bible.. exposing error was the gimmick.. replacing doctrine or ritual with door to door activity was the greatest failure to follow truth where it leads.. .
mainstream religion in pastor russell's day was set in stone.
There was a time I was VERY adept with dates. Like a zombie stumbling after fresh meat sinking my teeth in and gourging on whatever was shot down the fds pipe.
We ALL had wt doctrine hammered into us by ministrey school rote, even to the point that some hh and co-workers were awed by our Bible knowledge, watchtower prince's led by king jehovah and holy sprit dumped willy-nilly onto the fds. Our days of Wine and Roses.
i was just over on topix.com, when i see this to a "rick fearon"(?
) kool-aid man thread.
someone noted that rick fearon lost all credibility over his "johnny the bethelite" nonsense.
Maybe she thinks it makes her flow.....her message that is...
humans are to ants what god is to humans..... at least, that is how i see it.. ants can't know humans or entertain theories and ideas or myths about humanity.. if we step on an anthill they don't mourn and bury their dead and send prayers up to us.. we are just one more thing they have to deal with.. humans don't become an ant and live among them and die at their bidding only to rise and save a few for later reward.. humans don't help a select few ants write a wonderful and inspiring ant bible to enlighten and bond with us.. ants are extremely different from humans and the twain simply don't meet.
we barely tolerate their existence!.
but, we humans are convinced god is a guy in the sky.
Conversing with Perry is like conversing with an ad hoc broken record, over, and over, and over. G G GOD, JE JE Jesus, no other way. You will all die, burn in hell....No room is made for an individual spritual experence, no other God experince, unless of course it fits Perry's templet.
Terry asked; Does God play favorites?... According to Perry the mouth piece the answer is yes.
Is this just?.... No, it is not just.
an answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
"a "spiritual" moment where no God needs to be involved".....OTO...yes, a spiritual moment does not have to include God to be spritual...
a dear member of my congregation gives his testimony from shite muslim to christian.
emery told me once that his father told him that the only reason he's still alive is because of the laws of the u.s. otherwise he'd be required to kill him.. kinda puts puts jw shunning in a "new light"..... somebody always has it worse.
kinda lenghty but well worth it.
Yes I believe that the Lord did light him up so he could be taken down.....that's sad, taking a life is no small matter. Attributing it to a born-again is sadder. The Lord didn't lite him up muzzl flash did and eleven rounds is over kill. Comments like that I find creepy and disturbing.
Unlike the JW's, the bible and even the vast majority of people whether believer or not, see the immense benefit of police protection and the exercise of fatal force at times....depends on which side of the gun your on. I would say you have traded a jw life ( even if you were never one ) for one as judgmetal as they. Think jw's don't own guns?
an answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
Glad you took the time to comment Curtains, an interesting answer to the OP. Lets see where my counter comment deviates from yours.
I have come to believe that most, not all, people reason in the abstract wheather spritual ( I leave all relgion out of it, as religion is doctronial and restricts free flow of thoughts and ideas ) or, from the science point of view. Our abstract thinking sets us on a course of "thinking things" out. We continue to reason with subjective thinking, although anylitical reasoning pops up here and there, as we continue to move along "thinking things" out. Eventualy we reach a conclusion. Therin lies the conundrum, because the conclusion depends on the frame of reference we start with. So, I agree with your statement that our belifes and conclusions are neither completely objective nor subjective.
The wave ( ripple ) effect you bring to the table is interesting. Seems to me that a wave affecting peoples thinking would depend on how far YOU are from the epicenter of the cause. Many people , even those, in the center of the cause let it wash over them without changing their thinking. While some far out on the edge once again start with abstract thinking and subjective reasoning, Therefore it contiues, past and present, changing peoples lives in various ways.
Humanity is in a constant state of flux. Heard on the news this morning that after hard physical work a cold beer did more to slack your thrist and refresh you than a cold glass of water. Several years ago doctors were saying avoid eggs. Now they are saying go ahead eat eggs two, three times a week, there good for you.
On this understanding I agree that atheists and believers are open to these events but will describe them in different ways. ( Curtains ) I agree, in this thread, I said there is no right or wrong answer. What you believe is subjective to your experence of life. You made a comment to that effect yourself. Here we find ourselfs leaning strongly on the subjective, or, objective, depending on our individual thiking.
