Posts by bennyk

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

by blondie in

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"what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

bennyk

Thanks for your commentary, Blondie.

Thus, it was felt that in the modern-day fulfillment, Jesus was referring to the wicked "generation" of unbelievers who would see both the features that would characterize "the conclusion of the system of things" (syn.te'lei.a) and the system's end (te'los).

I have always loved how the Watch Tower Society switches to the passive voice when discussing the now-rejected teachings of the past -- almost as though some third party were somehow responsible, and the Society were merely an unwitting, innocent bystander. Why can't they write something a bit more direct (and honest): e.g. "We previously taught unequivocally in our exclusive, official capacity as the sole channel between God and men a doctrine which we are now changing and which you are henceforth forbidden to believe. Believe the new teaching! Or else! (Until the next time we change it.)"

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Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

by V in

bennyk

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class, have recognized this sign as if it were a flash of lightning and have understood its true meaning.

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class in 1876: "Hey, did we just see a big bright light two years ago?" "I guess so."

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class in 1900: "We'll see something REALLY BIG, VERY SOON !!!!!!!"

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class in 1914: "Did you see anything?" "No, not me." "Me, neither."

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class in 1920: (silence)

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class in 1930: (silence)

Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class in 1943: "Hey, that big bright light we thought we saw in 1874 wasn't really a big bright light at all. Or even anything -- because there wasn't anything to see in 1874. But I'm absolutely CERTAIN I saw something in 1914." "Me, too!!! It was a UFO!!! And if other people claim they didn't see it, or that we saw something in 1874, they deserve to be dead for all eternity!!!"

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Did Jehovah's Witnesses ever claim they were inspired?

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses insist they are not false prophets despite making false predictions because they never claimed inspiration.

but is that true?

well most of the time they seem to have been careful only to claim divine "guidance" or that they are "god's channel".

bennyk

Publications of the Watch Tower Society establish the view that they claim to speak for God. Rutherford stated:

“These are the anointed class on earth, and these are they who are watchmen and who joyfully do the will of the Lord on earth. Since he commands what shall be done on earth we should have no difficulty in finding that he is directing his work. The Watch Tower is the medium of communication with the various ones who are watchmen and who love the Lord. The Lord has long used it for that purpose. During the year just past THE WATCH TOWER, we believe, has set forth some meat in due season sent from the Lord. (WT 01. Dec. 1925, p.355)

“Without a doubt the Lord uses his angels to cause the truth to be published in The Watchtower, and the faithful followers of Christ Jesus who hear and give heed to the message of truth from the Lord and render obedience thereto are thus a spectacle or theater to others, both men and angels...” (WT 01. Feb. 1935, p.41)

“In 1927 God began to reveal to his people the meaning of the dream had by Nebuchadnezzar. Thereafter, in August 1930, by and through the columns of The Watchtower God caused to be published the proper understanding of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar. As stepping stones gradually leading up to the understanding of the great image was the publication of the articles in The Watchtower, to wit, “The Winepress,” September 1, 1926 ; “The Stone in Zion,” October 15, 1926. No man can properly interpret prophecy, and the Lord sends his angels to transmit correct information to his people, and when these truths come to his people and the facts fit the prophecy, then they should take it as from the Lord and receive it with rejoicing.” (WT 15. Feb. 1935, p.52) .

(The Society’s new understanding of Nebuchadnezzar‘s dream, although declared to be “proper”, “correct”, and “from the Lord”, has since been abandoned as false.) Thus the Lord gets the blame for Rutherford’s erroneous teachings and false prophecies.

Rutherford even went so far as to equate his false prophecy regarding 1925 with the Gospel:

“Therefore it seems that now is the time for the church to proclaim far and wide in Christendom this good news. Hence it is the purpose of the Society to ask every public speaker, all the Pilgrim brethren, all the elders of classes, all who can give a public discourse in every part of Christendom, to prepare a discourse upon the subject: “The World Has Ended~Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” and to herald this message as a witness to Christendom; and it would seem if the church fails to do this, the very stones will cry out.” (WT 01. July 1920, p.200)

“Surely the words of the Master are now in course of fulfillment: "This gospel ["The World Has Ended: Millions Now Living Will Never Die"] shall be preached in all the world for a witness, and then shall the end come". The Master’s inspiring words thrill the heart of the Christian and spur him on with greater zeal to give the witness now. We urge the dear brethren everywhere, everyone who is qualified, according to the Lord’s arrangement, for speaking to the public, to use for all public addresses the subject: "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". It is the message that we want to get to the people. It is the message of the hour. It is the message that must go to all Christendom as a witness before the final end of the present order.” (WT 15. Oct. 1920, p.310 bracketed material in original)

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Barber training for elders. 1 Cor 11:6 is ignored.

by Open mind in

i wonder if the elders will be trained on how to shear off a woman's hair at the new elder's school in patterson this year?.

"for if a woman does not cover herself, let her also be shorn;..." .

1 corinthians 11:6 nwt.

bennyk

My wife actually took a bit of flak from the Elders and their louder halves because she covers.

My wife and I were not amused.

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"This Generation" of 1914, ended in 1995. When did teaching begin?

by Fatfreek in

as far as i can tell with google searches, it began sometime in the '60s.

can someone confirm this?

is that also when awake, page 4, began its classic statement, "... before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.

bennyk

This might prove helpful:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/143844/1.ashx

The earliest quote I found was in 1930:

W 01. Nov. 1930, p.332
Speaking of world happenings since A. D. 1914, Jesus said (and his words apply to
Christians living since that date) : “When ye see these things come to pass [as prophesied], know ye that the
kingdom of God is nigh at hand.” (Luke 21: 31) So, inside the lifetime of the present living generation the
Lord Jesus will put into effect for all mankind the value of his ransom sacrifice which he laid down for all. (Brackets in original)

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WT Comments (2/25 RESPONDING) FEATURING AK-JEFF

by V in

correction: this article was originally attributed to another visiting speaker (alltimejeff) in error..

bennyk

7) Why must we refrain from judging those to whom we preach?

(Answer: It would steal valuable time from the vital work of judging those in the congregation.)

7) Jehovah has appointed Jesus as judge; hence, we do not have the right to judge anybody.

(But that won't stop us from doing so...)

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Invitation to memorial

by hawkeye69 in

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has anyone ever received a stupid-looking invitation from their local kindom hell?

i received one yesterday!

i left several years ago.

bennyk

We got one, too. Be certain to Respondez S'il Vous Plait. The P.O. will not -- will NOT -- be amused.

[Edit to remove P.O.'s name]

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help with a verse

by bite me in

i've been reading proverbs, one of my favorite books in the bible.

recently i decided to read it again to dig a little deeper.

it's a wonderful book, telling us how we should live in a way god would be pleased.

bennyk

The "speaker" of Proverbs chapter 8 is "personified wisdom." See verses1 - 4.

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For believers in God or a Higher Power or any who just love life.

by AK - Jeff in

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friends

now that's god.

i did not post this to cause any controversy, or to take up my soapbox.

i just found it and thought it lovely to share.. jeff .

bennyk

THANK YOU.

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Upcoming Elders Schooling

by Questions1 in

it's no secret that the "organization" has increased it's cia, national security clerance only super-secret attitude in regards to the elder school that is going to be conducted soon.

a few days ago, i had a conversation with an elder who has been in the fold all of his life practically.

in keeping with the conversation style of jws, the gentleman told me that nobody knows what exactly will be taught at the meetings, but in his backdoor conversations with some brothers who seem to be tuned into the bethel's officially, unofficial, communications network, the elders are going to be taught "post-armageddon" teachings.

bennyk

BUT I remember ...I think back in the '80's...when I was trying hard to swallow all the crap and studying with a bunch of different elders, my now Ex wife coming home from a meeting a telling me that a new plan was being implemented. That plan was "studying with new ones NO LONGER THAN 6 MONTHS" because the "time was soooooo short." I think they used the blue book...was that the United in Worship? or a diff one? Can't remember.

Yeah. They did this in the late 1960's as well -- with the "Truth" [sic!] book.