Posts by rebel8

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There won't be snow in Africa (xmas songs you hate)

by rebel8 in

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ok so be a scrooge or grinch for 5 minutes.

you know you want to.. i loooove xmas songs but there are a few that make me cringe.. the old feed the world.

"there won't be snow in africa.

rebel8

Oooh, Trans-Siberian Orchestra. I want to see them IRL sometime.

Grandma got run over by a reindeer. Kill me now.

Buble is ok with me. Who's Bing?

So here's the thing. I pretty much immerse myself in xmas music after Thanksgiving. I listen to a radio station that plays it all the time. Except it's the same versions of the same songs over and over. So many artists have produced xmas music and I do enjoy most of it. Why no variety?

Here's some produced by the children of a current jw (and a jw at the time the album was produced, as far as I can tell.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ1iu3skJeQ

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There won't be snow in Africa (xmas songs you hate)

by rebel8 in

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friends

ok so be a scrooge or grinch for 5 minutes.

you know you want to.. i loooove xmas songs but there are a few that make me cringe.. the old feed the world.

"there won't be snow in africa.

rebel8

Ok so be a Scrooge or Grinch for 5 minutes. You know you want to.

I loooove xmas songs but there are a few that make me cringe.

The old Feed the World. "There won't be snow in Africa." "Do they know it's Christmastime at all?" A favorite song for people ignorant of climates and world religions.

Christmas Shoes. Not sure I can put into words why I hate it so much. I actually turn the radio off when it comes on. I think I'd like to know the name of the guy who paid for the shoes. I've got a Nigerian prince who needs help transferring some money.

Now where's Dominick the Christmas Donkey?

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Just 2 questions regarding the U.S. law around sex abuse

by joe134cd in

i just have 2 questions regarding the u.s law around sex abuse.. (1) in this country it is quite common for the events of a sex abuse trial, to have suppression orders placed on it.

one i can think of was when the offender was given name suppression because to identify the abuser would also mean identifying the victim, so hence both were given name suppression.

now with regard to the out of court settlements and gag orders by the watchtower, and yes i do realise that the wt would have the most to benefit by doing this.

rebel8

Ok, well the perp, and only the perp, is at fault for the crime.

I think the victims themselves may have unvented anger remaining and maybe they are expressing it in a somewhat ineffective manner. I think that's forgiveable. I'm not saying it's ideal, just understandable.

Imagine your deepest, darkest, most humiliating secret. One you buried a long time ago and tried to pick up the pieces of your life and move on from. But you can't. You're still hurting and maybe others are being victimized now too. Keeping silent is becoming a less rational option--you feel compelled to take action. You tell the horror story to an attorney, and his/her staff, then in a deposition, then in court. To strangers. Also, to the perp himself, who may get gratification from hearing you talk about it. You may even be afraid to see him.

Now, are you going to be the most calm, articulate version of yourself?

As to what their attorneys do, you can't 100% blame the clients for that. The attorney's job is to win the case and sometimes that means saying and doing things that aren't necessarily the same thing you and I would.

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THE REALITY OF REFUSING BLOOD - as it happened

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

over the past couple years i have watched three young jw woman give up thier lives rather than accept blood.

the last was a new mother in her late 20s.

this is her story, as it unfolded on facebook:.

rebel8

Sounds like it may have been an avoidable death, but we don't know from those posts. What caused her condition, do you know?

The aftermath was interesting and consistent with the behavior of the dubs I used to know.

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How can I ever leave this cult?

by Julia Orwell in

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i've been out nearly two years but it's not out of me.

i am on school holidays now til february so i thought without work to worry about i can come off my medication.

i phased it slowly, starting in early november to avoid the physical side effects of coming down.

rebel8

I'm sorry you are going through this, Julia. I'm relieved to hear you are getting medical treatment again and it's helping. I know lots of people want to go off their meds and have the same experience. It must be a tough choice to make.

I can personally relate to running into people, seeing the same streets, etc. I believe I started a thread called "geographic cure" on here that you may be able to find. It's not that I'm timid, feel guilty, etc. Not AT ALL. What I do feel is sick to my stomach when I see the places and faces related to (on a good day) the worst time in my life, or (on a bad day) the mental/physical abuse they systematically did for years and totally got away with it. It makes me relive the traumas.

I cannot believe how freeing it is to be in a totally different locale. I don't know if that's an option for you, and it isn't a substitute for healing, but it did help me. Shouldn't be necessary, but for me personally, it is. IMHO

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What laws are on your side (in the U.S.) so you can leave quietly

by oppostate in

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in another topic "just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a jw".

here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.. you have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.. if the boe says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:.

baugh v. thomas (1970).

rebel8

Since you aren't DF'd they won't make the "no longer a JW" announcement.

They don't announce it when someone disassociates themselves? I am surprised to hear that.

Even though they don't announce the specific sin when announcing df, do they still read the scripture about 'not mixing in company, not even saying a greeting'?

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christmas

by venting in

i feel bad that i was not able to let my kids enjoy christmas.

i think it has alot to do with how you were raised.

for some i know christmas was not that big a deal.

rebel8

I am living both A and B. I have absolutely no difficulty with A, no more than I have difficulty with the Tooth Fairy or Scooby Doo not being real.

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What laws are on your side (in the U.S.) so you can leave quietly

by oppostate in

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in another topic "just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a jw".

here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.. you have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.. if the boe says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:.

baugh v. thomas (1970).

rebel8

Very interesting. I have changed my views a bit after reading that article.

I've pretty much believed it's best to not recognize their authority by resigning--just walk away. And that's probably still the best thing to do if you don't have the money that justice costs.

If you can afford justice, then perhaps you could resign via a registered letter citing these cases and stating your expectations as a former member, effective immediately.

These people really have no power, just the mental power we give them. Just stop going, walk away.

I see your point, but people's businesses, marriages, friendships and jobs can be harmed, as well as their reputation and standing in the community, by shunning, badmouthing, etc. They have the power to do a lot of harm. It would be nice for them to stop behaving that way.

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Just 2 questions regarding the U.S. law around sex abuse

by joe134cd in

i just have 2 questions regarding the u.s law around sex abuse.. (1) in this country it is quite common for the events of a sex abuse trial, to have suppression orders placed on it.

one i can think of was when the offender was given name suppression because to identify the abuser would also mean identifying the victim, so hence both were given name suppression.

now with regard to the out of court settlements and gag orders by the watchtower, and yes i do realise that the wt would have the most to benefit by doing this.

rebel8

Victims aren't always compensated. I think people in other countries tend to be told our justice system depends upon lawsuits, but that's not true. There's criminal courts too.

People who are angry probably want the perps to be held accountable. Perhaps being given money that requires the victim to keep quiet to protect perp's reputation makes them more angry. I can't say I blame them. Sometimes they were coerced into silence after the crime, so it could feel like the same thing is happening again.

wts, as a religion that claims to be god's one and only true channel, with rules about keeping the congregation clean, should be transparent. They used to practically announce reasons why they were dfing individuals right from the platform--the only reason they stopped that is probably because someone sued them for defamation (Barb Anderson?). That's their doctrine--we didn't make that, they did. Yet here they are doing the opposite of what they teach and practice otherwise. Hypocritical. Again, I don't blame anyone for pointing that out.

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Using New JW.ORG Merchandise to Share the Good News, t-shirts and painted JW.org toe nails!

by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

there are approved methods of preaching the good news about jw.org in style!.

caleb and his single mammy, tired of your child losing notes to his teacher, pin that note with a friendly, lively jw.org caleb and mommy button for a small fee!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/356206651751072594/ with our rich hertigage of mixing organization with the skills of a saleman you knew this was bound to happen.. .

rebel8

Tacky.

I wonder if some dubs will actually believe this is a good witness, or will count it on their time sheets. "10 people commented on my toenails Saturday,so I can count my time. Then next month when I get my toenails done again, I'll count the manicurist as a return visits or whatever."