Posts by rebel8

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Being a SPIRITUAL ATHEIST is a good step!

by Pinku in

religions, in general, did not inspire people to be good, because the means they used was illogicality.

for example: one religion teaches: humans became sinners through one man, and would become righteous through another man.

no answer!

rebel8

Has it not always been entwined with religion, though?

IMO it's compromising something that shouldn't be compromised. It reminds me of when my jw parent calls gay partners "friends" or "roommates". She cannot bear to speak aloud what it really is, because it's distasteful to her.

It should be socially acceptable to claim to be an atheist without tempering it with religion-based words. It should not be distasteful. That would be the mark of a reasonable society.

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Edit: I have changed my view on this over the years after thinking a great deal about it. @ first I defined myself that way, but I quickly learned this was offensive to many atheists. My immediate reaction was that is silly, but I came to understand and agree.

It is not possible to be "spiritual" without a religious framework. Belief in the supernatural is religious.

Here is an article on it.

Respectfully, ~me

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what year was the blood liason commitee started and was it really put into place to help get ones to take blood, fractions and hemopure?

by Crazyguy in

was it really put up to help doctors and patients deal with the blood issue or to talk more jws in to taking fractions components and hemopure?.

rebel8

Help people get more fractions? In jw fundieland, fractions were and are taboo. The HLC, if anything, interfered with dubs getting fractions.

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How do you think we'll be remembered?

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

some day far in the future, will we be looked upon as suffragettes who abolished cults with tenacity, courage and outspokenness?.

will future generations shudder at the backwardness of cultures that permitted cults to flourish, and not comprehend how this could have happened?.

will they be grateful for being spared death and suffering at the hands of cults because of what we are doing to expose them and reduce their growth?.

rebel8

Ok, so let's compare this to women's rights in the United States. This directly affects >half our country's population.These things were accomplished by advocates.

How much do you remember? Don't cheat.

In what year did it become legal for women to practice medicine, and what was the name of the first woman to receive a medical degree?

When was the 19th Amendment passed, giving women the right to vote? Name a few women who voted before that in protest, and explain what happened to them.

Which happened first, a woman running for President or women getting the right to vote?

In what year was birth control information declassified as obscene?

In what year did the Equal Rights Amendment pass?

In what year did it become legal to sell a single woman The Pill for the purpose of birth control? Name an advocate for it.

When could women apply for credit cards?

When was marital rape regarded as a crime?

When could women own property aside from their husbands?

My point is...these things happened more recently than you'd think. Have we already forgotten? Do we just take it all for granted if it didn't happen to us personally? Is that human nature?

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Being a SPIRITUAL ATHEIST is a good step!

by Pinku in

religions, in general, did not inspire people to be good, because the means they used was illogicality.

for example: one religion teaches: humans became sinners through one man, and would become righteous through another man.

no answer!

rebel8

Humanism is one way of thought. We do not need the supernatural realm to be ethical and reach our potential.

I shed the word "spiritual" as a personal adjective. New age philosophies have attempted to redefine the word as its antonym, but it just strikes me as another way to make atheism more palatable to non-atheists. IMHO

spir·it·u·al ˈspiriCHo͞oəl adjective adjective: spiritual

1. of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. "I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare"
- (of a person) not concerned with material values or pursuits.
2. of or relating to religion or religious belief. "the tribe's spiritual leader" noun

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How do you think we'll be remembered?

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

some day far in the future, will we be looked upon as suffragettes who abolished cults with tenacity, courage and outspokenness?.

will future generations shudder at the backwardness of cultures that permitted cults to flourish, and not comprehend how this could have happened?.

will they be grateful for being spared death and suffering at the hands of cults because of what we are doing to expose them and reduce their growth?.

rebel8

Some day far in the future, will we be looked upon as suffragettes who abolished cults with tenacity, courage and outspokenness?

Will future generations shudder at the backwardness of cultures that permitted cults to flourish, and not comprehend how this could have happened?

Will they be grateful for being spared death and suffering at the hands of cults because of what we are doing to expose them and reduce their growth?

Will we be forgotten entirely, having made a huge dent in the reduction of cults?

Or will things be the same as they are today?

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What my mother should have done.

by LovelyEunie in

this is somewhat of a rant but every time i think of it it just pisses me off.. .

i never understood why my mom would never switch to another hall or whatever when she knew how i was treated by the people who were supposedly the 'best' association around.

my older sister also, because neither of us really had any jw friends because for whatever reason i guess we were pegged as the baddies because our dad wasn't witness (still isn't) and my mother stayed sick a lot so she wasn't able to do half of whatever was required.. .

rebel8

It was prohibited to switch halls for personality conflicts.

Besides, doing so would have deprived her of what sounds like the main thing she gets from being a dub--a gossipy, judgy, petty social network. It sounds like that meets some emotional need of hers.

Parents were brainwashed repeatedly to regard children as animals who just need a good beating and deprivation of fun to learn that life is unpleasant and Jah offers the only hope that the future will be less unpleasant.

Children are basically one step above pigs in that religion. As a lower form of life, your emotional needs did not come first.

I'm sorry but I don't like your mother very much.

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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?

by NoMoreHustle in

i had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?

but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.

that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.

rebel8

Thank you Brother DATA-DOG for that proper counsel at the proper time. Unfortunately, before reading your post, this evening I arrogantly turned on some audiovisual equipment (tv) myself without my husband's help. I will pray for help in being more humble and subjective. Now back to the kitchen.

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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?

by NoMoreHustle in

i had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?

but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.

that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.

rebel8

Why, just this evening, I tried using some audiovisual equipment and organizing a bookshelf, and it was overwhelming. I burst into tears and called my husband for help.

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Jehovah told to Moses: "....kill every woman who has had sexual relations with a man"

by opusdei1972 in

in numbers 31 we read the following:.

jehovah then told moses:2 take vengeance for the israelites on the midianites.

afterward you will be gathered to your people.3 so moses spoke to the people, saying: equip men from among you for battle against midian and to execute jehovahs vengeance on midian.4 you should send 1,000 of each tribe of all the tribes of israel into the army............ 7 they waged war against midian, just as jehovah had commanded moses, and they killed every male.8 along with the others slain, they killed the kings of midian, namely, evi, rekem, zur, hur, and reba, the five kings of midian.

rebel8

Does God (if there is one) have to be Mr Benevolent to qualify to be God?

Why?

The bible claims god is all-good, all-powerful, and all-knowing. Evil exists, which god should have hated because he's good, stopped with his power, and known about it with his omniscience. --->Therefore the god of the bible does not exist.

Yes, there could be a god or creator that is not all-good. That means the bible is not true, but you're right, there could be. Then what?

I believe the best philosophy of all is to lead a good life. Be a good person and enjoy the "gift" of life to its fullest. If a god/goddess/gods someday make themselves known to us, and they are worthy of our worship (god being good is a requirement here), then they will be pleased with what we've done with their gift. If not, it's still a win for me and those around me.

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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?

by NoMoreHustle in

i had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?

but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.

that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.

rebel8

Because you don't need a penis to float around in heaven, but you do need one to pass microphones around here on Earth. A woman cannot be expected to carry around a microphone phallic symbol while she menstruates and cries. duh.

The Scriptural position might be said also to take into consideration woman's biological nature. As every woman in the prime of life is well aware, she has certain difficult days each month during which she cannot give of her best and during which she very much appreciates her husband's showing her consideration. But if she had responsibilities of oversight and was required to hold forth regularly on the public platform regardless, either her performance or her health would suffer.