the issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?
that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.
the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.
Sunstarr,
If I remember correctly, my parents believed that Armageddon would come in 1975. Does that mean that most of my life was devoted to rebelling against rebels?Yes.
I guess I'm going to hell (i.e. hades/sheol - the grave).Some people think NY is hell.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
the issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?
that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.
the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.
You Know, you said:
Can there be any doubt that God’s word identifies the present generation of children, many of whom were who were brought up in the truth, as we say, but who rebelled against the faith of their parents,My parents joined the WT around 1922, they were taught by the WT to worship Jesus, celebrate Christmas, believe that Charles T Russell was THE Faithful and Discreet Slave, blood transfusions were OK, Jehovah lived on Alcione in the Pleiades constellation, a black person could become white if they prayed long enough, you could tell how intellegent a person was by the size and shape of their heads, the "faithful men of old" would be resurrected in 1925, etc., etc., etc.
Are you saying that I should have those same beliefs now to qualify as an acceptable servant of Jehovah? Or, should I, and, are you, rebelling against those JW beliefs?
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
dear robert, i have done quiet a lot of research into the jw's doctrines.
you see; i had to make an important decision on where i stood as far as jw's are concerned.this chat site was very helpful.
i have taken the most controversial members ( lol there are only three of you)from this site, in opposition to eachother and used your arguments and reasongings to "help" make my mind over on what i would do.. the thing that struck me most about your arguments were: you kept giving glory to jehovah and his son, you used scriptures to back up your points (glad you didn't give out where to find those scriptures) you didn't make excuses for the wtbs errors, and misdeeds, and the most important point was your pointing out that jehovah himself will judge and spank his own people.
Mann, you said:
You came in here and insulted me and expected me to give you a respectful answer? Are you that damn stupid.? Respect is a two way street, if you want it give it, I don't owe your sorry ass a damn thing.Jesus said,
"All things, therefore,that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them; this, in fact is what the Law and the Prophets mean."Matthew 7:12 NWT
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
Christendom is comprised of "individual people who seem [claim] to be Christian, but are not." These, individually and as multi-denominational groups, condone warfare between nations, as shown in the picture I keep rubbing your nose in.
You seem to have problems understanding that the WORLD is comprised of "individual people" just as the parable says. The world is the field. If you want to argue with Jesus, help yourself, it is clear that Jesus said the world would be filled with good seed and there would be weeds sown into the field of good wheat by the devil. Still, no BIG Watchtower printing plant, in that parable, anywhere.
As far as "rubbing my nose" in that picture, you again misunderstand, the picture makes me PROUD. You and other JWs enjoy the freedoms that those men fight and die for, then you ridicule them and the Pastor who blesses them! I know you are deceived and blinded, but it is time for you to wake up!
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
Matthew 13:37-39 NWT
(37)In response he said: "The sower of the fine seed is the Son of Man; (38) the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one (39) and the enemy that sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels.(40)...."
Note that He, referring to Jesus, is not capitalized in the NWT.
"...the field is the WORLD;...the FINE SEED, ..are the SONS OF THE KINGDOM; ..the WEEDS are the SONS OF THE WICKED ONE...."
The field is the WORLD, not an organization. The seed are SONS OF THE KINGDOM. I do not see Watchtower or 144,000 there anyplace.
The WEEDS are SONS OF THE WICKED ONE. No mention of an organization, Christendom, etc. These are individual people who seem to be Christian, but are not.
Classes, divisions of people in organizations, numbering those of the kingdom, etc. are all inventions of The Watchtower Society, and are some of the reasons for the WT being a false prophet.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
The WT likes to divide everything into organizations, "Christendom"
The parable was not speaking of "organizations" It simple refers to wheat as "true followers of Christ" and the weeds are "false or fake Christians"
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
well, i've finally had it.
i'm da'ing myself, along with a piece of my fam.
the unbaptised ones are refusing to go with my father now, and even my still devout father is leaning towards our opinion on things.. there wasn't even any screaming when i called the jw's the great hypocrisy last nite.. i just can allow myself to be associated with them in any way.
ashitaka,
Congratulations. You can email Keith MacGregor at the following link and I am sure he will provide you with a sample DA letter like you describe. http://www.macgregorministries.org/
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
erica rodiriguez.
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http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/40039.htm
Thanks for pointing out the article Nytelecom. I really think the truth is starting to get through to you.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
firstly, hello from a newbie .
i was reading a thread a few days ago which got me thinking.
it was about everyones views on apostates before leaving the dubs.
Adonai438,
Usually at the conventions they appoint attendants to remove all flyers that you might put on cars, the only way that has worked, that I know of, is to roll them up and slip them into the door openings, where the attendants cannot get to them.
At the conventions where we demonstrated, we actually had some, very few, witnesses who took our flyers. The attendants came out of the building and actually took the flyers away from the JWs.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
firstly, hello from a newbie .
i was reading a thread a few days ago which got me thinking.
it was about everyones views on apostates before leaving the dubs.
I have demonstrated outside WT conventions. There are many stories I could tell about our experiences, but I will have to wait for another time. After three years at one convention our group (3 to 5) usually, decided that we might be doing more harm than good and stopped demonstrating at the conventions, at least for now.
While demonstrating, we were lied about, to police, we were called names, cursed, followed closely everywhere we went, men in cars with two way radios driving back and forth everywhere we went, others on the roof of the convention center with binoculars watching us every moment we were in the area (from car, demonstrating and back to car)
At two of the conventions they had hundreds of JW men line the entranceways from the doors to the parking lots, so that JWs could walk between the lines without being exposed to our signs. This against 3 demonstrators. Just a little humorous.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
