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  Kings of Isreal and 607/586

  by GramblingMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone help me out here, i have been going back and forth with the jw study, regarding 586/607, from reading what has been written here and visiting the library.. i have been able to present what i understand.

  now he is saying that the jw also were able to locate the date for the fall of jerusalem based on the kings of isreal.

  i serious doubt it, he should me the list of jews kings in the "insight on the scriptures" but could tell me how they arrived at the start date for the 1st king.

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  There is no concrete way that I've seen to independently date the start of the rule of Saul. You can work backwords from a given point but depending on where you start... you get the picture.
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  This Is My Current Stage

  by R.F. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm currently in the stage of mixed feelings.

  i feel torn at times because of this.

  i've built up courage to come to this website, and recently i've built up enough to take part in it.

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  TheListener

  Hi RF

  I haven't had an opportunity to welcome you to the board yet.

  Man, I really remember a few years back when I was in a similar position to you. The main difference was that I am married with kids. My wife doesn't understand my feelings and probably never will.

  I went through a couple of different phases as I came out of the WT.

  1. I totally believed in the truth and just knew the doubts I had were my issues of my own making and that when I really studied enough or asked the right person the answer would be obvious.

  2. As I looked into the specific things that bothered me and asked a few questions of those around me I realized that what I expected to happen - didn't. I didn't receive clear answers to my doubts.

  3. At this point I was thoroughly confused. I readily admit that every time there was a thunderstorm or a large scale world event I would panic in my mind because I knew the end was nigh but I wasn't in a good relationship with Jehovah - thus I probably wouldn't make it.

  4. After a long long time feeling the fear of destruction I decided to take my questioning to the next level. I and a friend drove a state away and I made him buy Crisis of Conscience. I left the book at work and went so far as to hide it so no one (even though no other witnesses worked there) would see it. Every time I opened it to read I would be nervous that somehow someone would see me and rat me out. I was deathly afraid of losing my wife and kids.

  5. I realized that I just didn't agree with many of the scriptural teachings and began to fade. I guess I was unknowingly fading through the entire process, but it was this last step that helped me realize that I wanted to be completely free from the JWs but retain my immediate family relationships.

  Good luck RF. I highly recommend settling your mind on these issues prior to getting married. It wouldn't be fair to you or your fiance to get married while doubting one of the main cornerstones of your relationship.

  By the way, what issues caused me the most trouble? It's different with everyone, but for me they were (in no particular order): 607; added rules and regulations that all witnesses live under (both written and unwritten); blood; disfellowshipping; what constitutes sacred service; confession

  These caused me the most trouble. Do I understand every aspect of every point on these subjects? No. But, I have learned much more than I ever thought possible.
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  Prince In The News Again-Studying Bible

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  http://www.cnn.com/2007/showbiz/music/05/08/prince.london.reut/index.html.

  prince to play 21 nights in london posted: 1:48 p.m. edt, may 8, 2007 story highlights prince to play 21 dates in london later this year.

  tickets to cost 31.21 pounds ($62) after recent record "3121".

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  Perhaps he has some inner turmoil occurring and feels that a study of the Bible will tell him for sure if the WTS is right or not.
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  Friend Told: "Your Son Will Never Start School Before Armageddon Comes!"

  by Seeker4 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  ha!

  i just learned that a childhood witness friend, rusty, just passed away.

  he was 60 and had suffered from a heart condition for many years.

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  Same story here.

  Four generations of witnesses who would never go to school. Now most are dead and the ones left still believe.
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  Why Jehovah's Witnesses are not "God's Organization" Part I (Good News)

  by rassillon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope to have more installments but i don't know when i will finish them...;).

  i apologize for the massive quoting which will make this post excessively long.

  i have highlighted the important parts.. .

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  Nice write up. That must have taken you a lot of time. Thank you for putting effort into that.

  When I've discussed this subject with a dub they answer from an emotional place and not a logical one. The Good News to them isn't the Good News that Paul discusses, rather it's the fact that soon God will destroy the wicked and the earth will become a paradise. Is that the official Good News that JWs proclaim? No. Your write up shows that. Plus the umpteen other articles that tell JWs that seving God for life in paradise earth is wrong.

  The dubs don't listen - not even to 'mother'. The WT has learned not to be too specific in things like this.
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  MRS EVIL GETS 14 YEARS

  by Kent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is another story about the "loving" jws and child custody.. a wicked foster mum who brutalised, tortured and starved three children over almost two decades was jailed for 14 years yesterday.

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  Or as the Order of the Dominicans once said "Kill them all and let God sort them out" - ok not an exact quote but close enough. The exact quote is supposedly "Kill them all and God will know his own" - it just doesn't carry the punch of the modern version.
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  JW email making the rounds - feeling guilt for not doing enough in service

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is making the rounds.... the third danger that also involves feelings of guilt, not for doing what's wrong, but for not doing enough in our service to jehovah god.

  do we have reason to feel guilty?

  why would we feel guilty?

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  I believe more emails of this type should be circulated. The dubs need to have someone in the organization who they view as spiritual tell them that it is ok to slack off.

  If enough of these types of emails go around the GB will get serious about banning jw related emails unless they are of a direct personal nature.

  imho
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  lurker for seven years

  by snowbird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new here so please bear with me.

  i have been a lurker for the past seven years.

  i am waiting until.

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  TheListener

  Welcome Snowbird.

  Congratulations on your daughter. Please don't wait 7 more years to post again.

  Do you still actively attend the kh? Does anyone know how you feel?

  I think it's great that you found a place to read, listen, and experience together with others who understand your situation.
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  We need to contribute so JWD doesn't shut down so often

  by restrangled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i suggest we all contribute $5.00 to $10.00 per year so that the site does not shut down on a regular basis.. this would allow simon to hire a server site that is reliable.

  i have never seen a site go down so often.. if simon is in agreement and you are too, would you post here ?.

  my husband hosts many sites including huge hotels for the government.

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  This site saved my sanity and most probably any semblance of a normal life that I currently have.

  I would be in - if it was anonymous. I want this site to be here when my friends and family eventually wake up.
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  Who the hell is J. J. Luna?

  by Highlander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  j.j. luna is the author of the book.. 'how to be invisible'.

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  in the book, this author refers to using jw's for your cleaning services because of their rep as being honest and maintaining your privacy.. does anyone here know this author and if so,, was this author a former or current j-dub?.

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  TheListener

  If you read his bio he could be a witness. My guess is that he is a dub:

  From Canary Islands Press Website (bio of J J Luna):

  In 1959, J. J. (Jack) Luna sold his outdoor advertising business in the Upper Midwest and moved with his wife and small children to the Canary Islands off the coast of West Africa. Outwardly, he was a professional writer and photographer. Secretly, he worked underground in an activity that was at that time illegal under the regime of Generalissimo Francisco Franco.
  In 1970 Franco, yielding to intense pressure from the western world, moderated Spain's laws, leaving Luna free to come in from the cold. By that time, however, privacy had become an ingrained habit. In the years that followed he started up various low-profile businesses, built them up and then sold them.
  
  Luna is currently an international consultant specializing in personal privacy. He usually meets with individual clients or small groups at one of the waterfront hotels in Vancouver, British Columbia