Posts by TheListener

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Hemoglobin-Based Oxygen Carriers - August 2006 Awake!

by AnnOMaly in

i think this is the first clear, official statement regarding hemoglobin-based products.

awake!

august 2006, front page title "blood: why so valuable?".

TheListener

From my reading of the article this one seems less condemnatory of the ones who may choose to use the HBOCs than the WTS would normally be.

Usually they say how bad they are and how the Bible is so clear, BUT if you really want to, well ok do it but don't say we didn't warn you!

In this article they just say it presents a serious decision which we must pray over and meditate on.

If the WT comes out with an article on the subject in the next few months we'll get the WTS real feelings on the subject.

Make no mistake, though, even though this article was in an Awake and not a WT it is still valid WTS instruction to dubs. Not as powerful but still valid.

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I did it. I finally graduated from College at 40 years of age.

by booker-t in

well posters i did it.

i finally got my associate in science degree from college the other day.

i was so excited.

TheListener

CONGRATULATION!!!!!!!!

Way to go booker-t

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Why are EX-JW's and JW's in doubt(faders) so ''afraid" of the elders?

by booker-t in

i have been out for years now but i still tremble alittle when i run into an elder at the store or run into an elder on the street and my post question certainly applies to me as well but why do i still have fear of jw's elders?

i have been da'd for so many years but that fear still comes up.

and reading alot of the post here i still see ex-jw's and jw's faders living a pretended jw life or pretending to be happy when they are miserable in the wt.

TheListener

First things first. I think the term fader in the title of this thread is being incorrectly used. A fader is someone who is fading - that is gradually leaving the organization. Most faders do this to maintain family contact and achieve freedom. This is hard work and requires patience, long suffering and a plan plan plan. These ones have a tough road to go and deserve as much credit as those who go out with a thunderous bang.

Someone with doubts but still attends isn't a fader. They are someone who doubts. Simply put they aren't sure what to do or how to do it. Coming here and reading our stories will help them make their decision - each in their own way and time.

As far as having fear of elders; those who have faded successfully always have some residual fear of losing the tenuous connections they maintain with their family. Will the elders notice this? Will the elders take an interest in me today? tomorrow? Never? Most faders I know don't fear the elders for themselves but for the effect the elders have on family ties. Those who have faded and have family still in are dependent on the elders. Why? Because the believing family members give control over the family ties to the elders.

imho

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Revelation It's Grand Climax at Hand! - bookstudy

by TheListener in

i was reading e-watchman today and someone there is saying that after studying the what does the bible really teach book at bookstudies the next book will be the revelation book!!!.

there isn't any real proof, but the poster claimed a letter from bethel stated this.

perhaps some here can dig around and confirm or deny this new rumor.. we've studied it 3 times in the past and it's been awhile.

TheListener

I'm glad you brought this up. I still can't believe it's true. Does anyone have a scan of the July KM with the information in it?

the dubs are gonna freak out. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH THE END IS NEAR THE END IS NEAR!!!!!!!

or

NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN !!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH I CAN'T GO TO ANOTHER STUDY!!!

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Are you afraid of the what's going on in the world??? Fear of men???

by Erenora nz in

yes this issue came up when the twins towers went down.

did you recognise the fear of those who either lost someone in the 9/11...was it a religous attack or a commercial attack???

whatever attack it was, the bible foretold the prophecy.. are you araid to die??

TheListener

Enora, you said

If you know Jehovah and believe in him, then you will know what jehohavos' purpose is for mankind.

Is this Jehovah's purpose based on the WTS literature or the Bible? Before you answer 'they are the same', put some more thought into it.

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Grand Climax

by mouthy in

don't know if you knew this or not - they have a new study aid called "bible teach".

and guess what they will be studying come january 2007!

the revelation book - it's grand climax at hand!

TheListener

Hi Mouthy,

Here's the thread:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/107462/1.ashx

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Want a copy of "Live With Jehovah's Day in Mind"?

by cabasilas in

jw
friends

it's on auction at ebay:.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-new-live-with-jehovahs-day-in-mind-watchtower_w0qqitemz7042082878qqihz014qqcategoryz29223qqrdz1qqcmdzviewitem.

but it looks like it's only available to jws.

TheListener

$50 bucks?!?!? Who in their right mind would pay anything for a book that can be received free? (err excuse me) I mean at no charge.

Limited first edition? OMG!

This ebay person has some gall.

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District Convention Resolution?

by TheListener in

jw
friends

i've seen some threads here on the dcs this year but i don't remember reading about a resolution that may have been passed.

i saw this on another discussion board and have no idea if it's accurate or not.

it is posted that this occurred on sunday during the last talk.

TheListener

I've seen some threads here on the DCs this year but I don't remember reading about a resolution that may have been passed. I saw this on another discussion board and have no idea if it's accurate or not. It is posted that this occurred on Sunday during the last talk.

"We the FADS have solemly resolved and determined to do the following, given the nearness of our deliverance:

1. We are determined to intensify our preaching activity.

2. To live up to our dedication to Jehovah and give him exclusive devotion.

3. To follow Jesus' example closely and be no part of the world.

4. To manifest our loyalty to Jehovah and Jesus and not compromise Bible principles.

5. Not get involved in interfaith movements.

6. Remain subject to superior authorities but NOT get involved in political issues.

7. Be determined to resist spirit of the world; not getting involved in chat rooms, Materialism, Entertainment, Drunkenness, Pornography."

Does anyone who attended have this in their notes?

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WTS says no confession to men necessary

by TheListener in

i ran across this the other day and it caught my eye.. w85 12/1 pp.

6-7 righteousness before god

neither catholic nor protestant "justification".

TheListener

Confession it was while I was lurking that I read your posts on confession. It never occurred to me that the WTS method was crap. You helped open my eyes on the subject and I still can't believe how blinded I was.

So, when I ran across this 1985 WT article I wanted to flag it for others here. This is one of those articles that it's good to have in a file somewhere. You never know when a loved one or friend will be looking for information.

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Whats up with Witnesses being allowed to VOTE now?

by runningrussianboy in

i read somewhere that jw's can vote now?

it was in a kingdom ministry a few years back.

i remember being told that voting for anything but jehovah was a sin.

TheListener

From what I understand most of the friends got the right WTS impression from the article. You can go into the polling booth if you're HAVE to and what you do in there is between you and God. But, you better just stand there and not pull any levers or mark any computer screens.

For those who didn't get the right WTS impression they may not get DF'd but you can be sure they'll be watched and counseled.

I'm not positive but since Nov. 99 I haven't seen anything that says voting is wrong but I have seen life experiences where the individuals did everything possible to avoid voting because they felt is was wrong. You get the point - good christians don't vote, but it's up to your conscience.