october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.
I can't put my finder on it, but it reads a little off to me. Are we sure this is genuine?
It's going to get increasingly complicated to identify genuine documents and sources as technology makes forgery so much easier.
I'm not saying this letter is definitely not genuine. Possibly, or even probably, it is. But I think we've had fake letters posted on the forum before. And it can be extremely difficult to tell the diffidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jud2bdmd1wk.
Actually I already saw it on the other threads. But I thought, at the third time of asking, it deserved the response I had formulated in my head, but was too lazy to post for the previous threads.
And my posts get delayed all the time too. I've been on restrictions since like forever. Even Watchtower would have reinstated me by now.
lots of good comments already about the content of saturday's agm broadcast.. i just thought i'd add my (trivial!
) comments about the magnificent 7:.
-- loesch - was he intentionally trying to be boring?
I think Loesch doesn't seem to be enjoying himself at all. Maybe life at Brooklyn and on the GB was not all he imagined it to be. I tend to think most GB members are true believers. But of the current GB I'd vote Loesch the most likely to be thinking p, "what on Earth kind of nonsense did I get myself into here?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jud2bdmd1wk.
Ha ha very good. I'm going to show this to the missionaries next time I see them.
I think it fair to say that it's mildly pro-Mormon. Although I didn't know quite how to read it at first.
so i've been a protestant for most of my life, it's how i was raised, but recently i started questioning my faith more and more and now i feel like my beliefs resemble that of a jehovas witness rather than a protestant.
i don't know any jehovas witnesses, so i was just wondering how a lot of you found the religion and adapted to it?.
I "made a stand for the truth" is the most economical way of describing it. Anyone else in that position?
i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.
he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).
he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.
Klein argued that Jehovah's name can't be "vindicated" because it has not been degraded. The new statement at the AGM is apparently a reversal of Klein's position which was published in the Watchtower from 1995 until (so it seems) 2017.
See the full history of the change here:
It's hard to overstate how important the "vindication" doctrine was to JWs at one time. It was their central message, motivation and focus. For example, for most Christians the main reason for Jesus coming to Earth was to save mankind. But for JWs the main reason Jesus came to Earth was to vindicate Jehovah's name. Saving mankind was said to be second place to the more important goal of vindication.
I wonder if "vindication" will return to its former prominence.
when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
EyesOpen, publishing produced huge revenues for Watchtower until the 1990s. Broadcasting produces no revenue, all it does is cost money.
Saying that broadcasting has replaced publishing as Watchtower's business model is a bit like saying I've replaced my job at the factory with regular visits to the cafe during the afternoon instead. Pleasant while it lasts, no doubt, but it's not making any money, and the money will soon run out.
Interested to know when snipers like careful will show us, where's the beef?
when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
Cessation of yearbooks is not a "non-happening", it shows an organisation in serious trouble.
Seriously I do wonder, how much evidence would it take to convince you?
when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
Wow are you still a collapse denier? How much evidence will it take? They could sure use you on the (newly amalgamated for cost reasons) service/writing/teaching/propaganda committee at Watchtower. Comical Ali eat you heart out.
Like I said above, it's intriguing that some former JWs seem to share with Watchtower's staunchest defenders an unshakable belief in the organisation's invincibility - despite all evidence to the contrary.
since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.
do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.
with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.
Logically they can't be doing as much door to door work as before. Because each congregation runs one or two carts for around 30 hours a week, two publishers on each. That's a lot of hours. And yet the overall hours reported has not increased by very much in recent years. So therefore that's a lot less hours spent on the doors.
Cart witnessing has been an absolute disaster from start to finish, because it's totally ineffective for making converts and totally demoralising as a JW. On top of that it's got a lot of JWs out of the habit of regular door to door preaching, which they may never return to.
It's just one small but significant part in the larger story of Watchtower's current crisis/collapse
