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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  He talks in more detail about the New Atheists in the full interview.

  Maybe you think the two quotes from me are contradictory but I don't think so. Zizek seems to be saying that Jesus undermined the family to create a more egalitarian society, not that he made families more egalitarian.

  Like I said above, undermining family can be a good or a bad thing, depending on context. And remembering that the idea of "family" is itself a fluid concept, meaning radically different things in 1) tribes 2) feudal societies 3) capitalist and 4) late capitalist societies, to name a few. There were ways in which capitalism undermined feudal conceptions of family which were both emancipatory and oppressive. Developments are rarely all good or bad. Hence the endless debates about the merits and demerits of the Thatcher revolution, or revolutionary Cuba, and so on.

  So I don't subscribe to the idea that anything that undermines family is tyrannical. Sometimes that's true, of course. And sometimes family itself can be tyrannical. Reality is complicated and not easily, or wisely, reduced to fixed statements.
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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  I don't know. I think Jesus was just saying that being his follower was more important than anything else. This, if followed, has dramatic social consequences, but these appear to be incidental rather than the the goal. So many lives altered, as with JWs, not as the main goal, but as a byproduct.
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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  I don't think Zizek said anything about a more egalitarian family structure either. Zizek isn't a theologian, he's a philosopher and an atheist. And you haven't watched much of the interview, it seems. It's difficult to discuss a topic with someone who feels that ignorance of the topic is a virtue.
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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  Capitalism, democracy and feminism have all been highly disruptive of family structures. The trouble with reality is that causes and effects are mixed in their desirability. As Dylan Thomas said: "the force that through the green fuse drives the flower, drives my green age, that blasts the roots of trees is my destroyer." The complicated and disturbing thing about the world is that the same things that bring good also bring destruction. Which is why ideology disappoints, whether that be Maoism, or capitalism or even democracy. Which in turn why Rortian pragmatism is so valuable, with its appreciation for irony and contingency.
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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  Sometimes families can be a refuge from outside authorities (religious, secular, legal, educational, whatever). And sometimes vice versa. Sometimes a good family can save someone from a bad religious authority. And sometimes a religious authority can function as a refuge from a bad family environment. Life is complicated. There are of course many cases where becoming a JW has been a net benefit to a person's life. It's not all one or their other. On a more fundamental level I think Zizek is saying that the subversion of family structure opens the way for egalitarian and non-hierarchical forms of relationship. Incidentally our modern conception of sibling relationships may be egalitarian, but that was probably not the case among first century Jews who had a very strong sense of hierarchy, including primogeniture.
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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  Full interview here:

  https://youtu.be/sQ3g2zS6Tuk
  
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  God expresses his perplexity at his own creation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got to share this, zizek at his very best.

  explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.

  how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.

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  slimboyfat

  Just got to share this, Zizek at his very best.

  Explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts Christianity to paganism where God is subject to a superior notion of justice. How the injunction from Jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the Holy Spirit is a symbol. How the book of Job is a profoundly anti-ideological statement of the chaotic nature of existence, which is a mystery even to God. And how this realisation in turn explains the real meaning of the crucifixion. The Christian God is the only God to experience atheism directly himself (on the cross, "my God why have you forsaken me?"). And how we need Christianity now more than ever. And Christniary is the only route to genuine atheism. Brilliant analysis.

  https://youtu.be/e5bvEJXFFeY
  
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  Organizational Accomplishments - Building a Solid Digital Foundation

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  organizational accomplishments - building a solid digital foundation.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aai46ng2f74.

  organizational accomplishments—building a solid digital foundation video will be considered the week of september 11, 2017.

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  slimboyfat

  Will there be any full time bethelites left in a few years? All part time, temporary and day-workers, apart from the GB and a small administrative staff. Seems to be hinting.
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  Today's Text - Justifying The Increase Of Annointed Ones!

  by Divergent in

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  2. friends

  thursday, august 31. jehovah knows those who belong to him.—2 tim.

  2:19.. in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christ’s death.

  that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

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  slimboyfat

  There weren't hundreds of thousands of Christians in the first century.
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  How to disorder a JW (family) chat

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know the moment that a nice family chat is moving to the propaganda game.. sister in law saying that jw.org is the highest ranked website, cousing saying that the new hq is energy neutral, aunt stating that jw have the best education.... what can we say on these moments?.

  that br splane just likes these new light ideas?.

  that a jw.org video stated that jw use the name jehovah because people recognize this name?.

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  slimboyfat

  Saying that the JW website only gets so many visitors because there are millions of JWs and they are expected to visit for important literature updates, kind of misses the points. There are millions of JWs, and apparently they faithfully follow the literature updates by visiting the website. That is the point, and apparently more so than any other religious group. Some of the competing websites are well known, like the blue letter Bible is well established. I used to use it often.

  And I know JWs who don't bother with days text or broadcasts.