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  The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief

  by sir82 in

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  recently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.

  it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.

  he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.

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  It don't think the mystery is so great. Lett explained it in simple terms: "we have more money going out than we have coming in brothers". In that situation you need to sell assets and cut costs to survive financially. It's not a question of "what are they going to do with all the money". The cutbacks and begging for donations are all about keeping afloat.

  In many ways it's been a long time coming. They've been living on borrowed time since they stopped charging for literature in the 1990s. The displacement of print media, the crash of 2008, the abuse claims, declining recruitment, and aging staff have all exacerbated the problem.

  What will they do when they run out of assets to sell? Can they cut costs enough to make the religion sustainable long term?
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  Irregular to meetings, can I partake in memorial?

  by Squekylive in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi friends .

  i don't believe in jw doctrines anymore but because of family i have to be a jw for now.. i am not regular to meetings, and don't answer in meeting, but i report some hours so i remain as active jw now.. .

  congregation knows that i am not spiritual and i don't talk to people and i don't care what they think about me.. now, i believe it's important to observe lord's supper as a christian as per john 6:53, so in the coming memorial if i attend i want to partake in the communion,.. i believe it is a sin to pass the bread and wine inspite of knowing it's flesh and blood of jesus.. it's like rejecting jesus.. so i want to partake.. but i dont consider i am anointed etc.

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  Thinking about it, they've already tried shaming ordinary JWs into not partaking by implying you might be mentally unstable if you partake. The next logical step could be instructions to elders to be stricter in who they count as a partaker.
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  Irregular to meetings, can I partake in memorial?

  by Squekylive in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi friends .

  i don't believe in jw doctrines anymore but because of family i have to be a jw for now.. i am not regular to meetings, and don't answer in meeting, but i report some hours so i remain as active jw now.. .

  congregation knows that i am not spiritual and i don't talk to people and i don't care what they think about me.. now, i believe it's important to observe lord's supper as a christian as per john 6:53, so in the coming memorial if i attend i want to partake in the communion,.. i believe it is a sin to pass the bread and wine inspite of knowing it's flesh and blood of jesus.. it's like rejecting jesus.. so i want to partake.. but i dont consider i am anointed etc.

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  Pretty much anyone can partake. Or else wrestle you to the ground?

  Will they count you? That's a different question.

  They might ask you why you partook after the meeting. If you sound "humble" they might count you and if you sound like a "trouble maker" they won't.
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  Bro Knorrs Notes RE Disfellowshipping & Two Witness Rule

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi guys.

  a fellow ex jw shared this with me.

  haven't time to read them yet (i'm using my phone to go on internet).

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  Presumably these are notes someone typed up from a meeting conducted by Knorr. It's not Knorr's own notes because the notes refer to "Bro Knorr's answers".

  And much of it sounds like reported extemporaneous speech.
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  You wake up one morning and see

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the un has banned religion.

  what are you're thoughts?.

  also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.

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  This is true. The strange attribution of menacing and demonic power to the UN is one thing that marks JWs as a peculiarly American sect, because it's a particularly American obsession/distortion of the global reality.
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  Bro Knorrs Notes RE Disfellowshipping & Two Witness Rule

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi guys.

  a fellow ex jw shared this with me.

  haven't time to read them yet (i'm using my phone to go on internet).

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  Sits in as an outsider. He should be felt ashamed of.

  I think many of us are felt right ashamed we were ever part of this whole set up.

  Give him no literature at company rates.

  Just like it says to do at Corinthians 17:4.

  If report handed in, it should be destroyed.

  Because it's far too risky just to put it in the bin.

  At public meetings could come in if he behaves.

  If he lapses into behaviour half way through the meeting there's always the spanking room.

  Shemiah cursed David. Bounds put around him. Leaves city. Dies.

  Come again? Bind them and do what?
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  December 28, 2016 BOE Re: One Study Edition of The Watchtower in Languages Other Than English

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  december 28, 2016 to all congregations re: one study edition of the watchtower in languages other than english.

  dear brothers:.

  for several years, the simplified edition of the watchtower has been produced in french,.

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  In the future, simpler language will be used in the study edition of the Watchtower.

  Jeezo it sounds like they're dumbing down even more, if that's even possible.

  How come they don't give a reason for cutting the foreign editions? It's almost as if they think ordinary members are not worth explaining decisions to.
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  Isn’t teaching of grace (undeserved kindness) a great apostasy?

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the old testament the basic teaching is that no sin would go unpunished.

  suddenly, it takes an opposite turn in the new testament where grace is shown as flowing through jesus to sinners who put faith in the sacrificial death of jesus.

  interestingly, new testament writers admit that both the teachings are in opposition to each other.

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  What the New Testament teaches on this subject is mixed to say the least:

  James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

  Ephesians 2:8, 9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

  In the early church the biggest advocates of "once saved always saved" were the Gnostics. The church fathers on the other hand taught a Catholic or JW version of salvation that could be lost by wrong action.

  
  
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  Interesting Information: The FBI Wanted JW Leader Joseph Rutherford Arrested - See Document

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/the-fbi-wanted-jw-leader-jo…/.

  the fbi wanted jw leader joseph rutherford arrested.

  in a memorandum dated march 28, 1941, the director of the federal bureau of investigation strongly suggested that joseph f. rutherford, then president….

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  Leolaia discussed Hoover initiating arrest of Rutherford months before he died here.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/164813/j-edgar-hoover-arrest-detain-rutherford-case-national-emergency?page=0&size=20
  
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  Jehovah's Witness / ex-JW Suicide Rate?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it's no secret that both remaining a jw or leaving the wts can take a toll on mental health.

  some will suffer from depression and ultimately some will have thoughts of suicide and a few will succumb to those.. but i don't recall ever seeing any hard stats or studies on it though.

  i'm sure we all know of some people who have committed suicide but i don't know if, because you may have loose association with a much larger pool of people through the religion, that this only seems higher or maybe not be actually higher than the general population.. what i mean is, you go to a kh here there maybe 100-150 people, you attend circuit and district conventions with many tens of thousands - if any one person commits suicide then you likely hear about it and it becomes part of the anecdotal 'evidence' that is then put forward as a fact that there is a higher rate ... but is there?.

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  I've got Bergman's book "Jehovah's Witnesses and the Problem of Mental Illness". It's pretty bad. Bergman doesn't just collate and present the work of experts as Jonsson did. He makes many assertions about JWs supposedly on the basis of his own clinical practice. He claimed to be a psychologist presenting his experience with patients, but his qualifications have been disputed. Plus he makes many assertions with no supporting evidence, such as referring to "the high murder rate" among JWs with no footnote or source. And he used aliases to publish and then quoted from his own work under a different name, among other shenanigans. Richard Singelenberg explained some of the problems in his review of Bergman's bibliography of JWs.

  http://jehovah.to/gen/freedom/review.htm