in the newest bible the gb took out the scriptures found in the last chapter of mark verses 9 on.
they say these scriptures were added later.
what they don't tell you in in the oldest bible the septuagint the assention of christ to heaven was also not in the book of luke nor mathew!
It's true the ascension of Jesus is not in the Septuagint. But neither is any of the rest of the NT, the Septuagint being a Greek translation of the Old Testament.
But what I think what you're getting at: it's true that Mark is the earliest gospel and if the shortest version is original it doesn't show Jesus going to heaven or even being resurrected.
i have far too many to name, but ill start with obscene music, gambling and cussing like a sailor.
all the while preaching to "worldly people" about their impending death at armageddon.
thoughts?.
Agree with OrphanCrow the blood hypocrisy is truly shocking.
Talking the mountains of blood it requires to produce blood products like factor 8 but not contributing a drop of blood themselves.
There are other analogous hypocrisies: such as refusing to be involved in politics but insisting on their rights and privileges in liberal democracies.
They complain about mankind "ruining the earth" but engage in no activism to save the planet, instead waiting on Jehovah, while printing their tons of literature, with inevitable environmental consequences.
Until very recently they had the cheek to point the finger at the Catholic Church over abuse scandals.
They encourage outsiders to examine their religions with an open mind, but forbid their own members from doing the same.
It's not difficult to think of hypocrisy with JWs. It's hard to know when to stop!
yes my holy anionted mom who has cancer is concerned that the loving god jehovah may ask her in heaven to destroy here non believer family including her 5 year old grandchild during armagedon....how messed up are these crazy people!!?
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We might call it insane and unhinged, but isn't it actually simply the consequence of taking JW teachings deadly seriously?
I remember other threads where people have described feeling, as JWs, that their non-JW families would be better off dead, because at least then they'd get a resurrection.
https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
Excellent work bohm, checking the background, and confirms what I suspected was the situation.
Hassan is qualified, his charges are clear up front, and people are not pressured. On top of all that his charges are apparently not atypical. I don't see much ground for complaint here.
You could have also mentioned that the accusations of plagiarism are unfounded as anyone who has read his books knows. He may not use academic footnotes, but his text is full of references and acknowledgement of the work of Lifton and others. He at no point pretends to have developed these ideas himself.
I would argue there are problems applying some of his recommendations to JWs because JWs are somewhat different and less extreme than some of the other groups he deals with. Plus his focus is helping families remove loved ones from cults, whereas, more typically, unhappy JWs are trapped in the religion precisely because of their families. These are more criticisms of the applicability of Hassan's work to JWs than criticisms of his work in itself.
https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
The allegations of dual relationships and use of hypnosis/NLP are what concerns me most out of all those listed in the article. Those are dealbreakers.
Hassan knew the founders of NLP in the early 1980s but has been speaking out against it for decades. So those accusations seem particularly mischievous.
Apart from anything else, personally I find Hassan's constant uptalk very tiring to listen to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/55i814/leaked_video_of_closed_door_meetings_with_the/.
just saw this over on exjw reddit.... if only there was a leak of the jw governing body like this....
Interesting. That would be so good for JW Governing Body. Can't a bethel insider bug the GB room?
https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
BTW, it was only recently that Hassan identified the WTS as a cult and discussed much at all.
Yeah that's right. At first Hassan never included JWs as a cult, but he said he got so many people contacting him asking why he didn't mention them. Including Randy Watters, there's an interesting interview here.
I've got mixed feelings about classing JWs as a cult. On one level they are nothing like the cults who kidnap people, sleep deprive, starve, humiliate, and so on as some groups do. On the other hand their information control and shunning practices are pretty severe. So they are not just a regular church either. They lie somewhere in between a strict church and a cult
Plus I think it's fair to say Hassan probably realised that JWs are potentially a huge market for his books and that influenced his decision to include them latterly. Most of the groups he discusses are tiny, whereas there are millions of Americans with some sort of JW connection, lots of potential for book sales.
I don't think we have enough "facts" to make a judgment. Reminds me of how jws would sit in judgment on people in the congregation, as we were out in field service demonstrating our Christian personalities.
I agree completely. Moralism gets old.
https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
You could charge $40 an hour and be doing it for the "wrong" motives.
The relevant questions are: does he pressure people to pay for what they can't afford? Does he add hidden charges after? Is his service any good?
Those would be grounds for complaint. That he charges a price we wouldn't personally pay is grounds for complaint only from sour grapes.
Prices are context dependent. It's not difficult to imagine that counsellors for famous, wealthy or powerful people charge a lot more than the prices being discussed here.
If we lived in California and provided a service for rich people who need help we can provide, it's no surprise that we would charge a lot. And in some countries you could probably eat for a month what we might spend on one meal out. Some people lack ability to view from different perspectives.
To be clear $400 is too expensive from my point of view and I would never be interested. But that doesn't compel me to lambast the motives of others involved in a voluntary transaction. If both parties think it's a good deal, who are we to tell them they are wrong?
The important questions are whether the charges are clear, not pressured, and the service is good.
just a few minutes till the start ..... we hope for a news from absalom and wifibandit very soon.. wifibandit, any tread on reddit for am?.
also there were some info about live stream.
any news about that..
The Mormons had their conference this weekend too. Maybe they could get together and save costs by running a joint show next year.
much is being said during the usa election run-up and trump-clinton debates about checking the facts of statements made by each candidate.
this is, of course, serious stuff as the direction of the countries future depends on just who is elected into office of the president of the united states of america.
not president of the local 'glee club' or the 'southside knitting society' , but, the president of the united states of america.
Likely no response.
After all there are no facts really, only interpretations.
