YOU have put me in a difficult position
What an awful twisted religion. And what self-righteous imbeciles it attracts.
slimboyfat
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anyone else had this following convention
by freeandcontent inso my mam visited today.
she recently went to convention in north east england, newcastle i think they still have them at.
before she left she said (this is her exact words btw) "you have put me in a difficult position and i can't come to see you anymore".. she told me that as i live with my partner and we are unmarried that she can't visit anymore.
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slimboyfat
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Jehovah's Witnesses and racial prejudice by Werner Cohn
by slimboyfat inrace is asserting itself as a problematic issue united states once more.
i always thought jws had a relatively good track record on race.
they preach a world without prejudice after all.
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slimboyfat
The counsel against inter-racial marriage was definitely in print. Until very recently they still advised against inter-racial marriage. I'm not even sure if they officially renounced their earlier comments or stand by them in an "at the time it made sense" kind of justification.
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Jehovah's Witnesses and racial prejudice by Werner Cohn
by slimboyfat inrace is asserting itself as a problematic issue united states once more.
i always thought jws had a relatively good track record on race.
they preach a world without prejudice after all.
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slimboyfat
I did wonder if the information was entirely accurate. I'd like to see some corroborating evidence. It's easy to get carried away because Cohn's style is easy to follow and his viewpoints are easy to agree with, especially his concluding comments about the disadvantages of the Witness dreamland approach to life.
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If you could speak to your former self, what would you say?
by LoveUniHateExams inif you, knowing ttatt, could go back in time and speak to your former jw self, what would you say to wake yourself up from the wt religion?.
i would speak to my unbaptised publisher self.
at that stage, i believed.
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Racial Insensitivity
by Coded Logic in"blue" lives matter!
- sheriff david clarke at the rnc.
this bs really makes my blood boil.
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slimboyfat
never a jw... The United States keeps statistics on how many police are shot, but not how many people are shot by the police.
Details on this page.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36826297
Official data on the number of people killed by the police turns out to be remarkably unreliable. "We can't have an informed discussion, because we don't have data," FBI Director Jawmes Comey said in the House of Representatives in October.
"People have data about who went to a movie last weekend, or how many books were sold, or how many cases of the flu walked into an emergency room. And I cannot tell you how many people were shot by police in the United States last month, last year, or anything about the demographics. And that's a very bad place to be."
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Racial Insensitivity
by Coded Logic in"blue" lives matter!
- sheriff david clarke at the rnc.
this bs really makes my blood boil.
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slimboyfat
When talking about statistics it's important to remember that what the state chooses to count in the first place is in itself a highly political choice.
It's like JWs collecting information on hours spent on the ministry, magazine placements, and even downloads and views these days. They don't however publish the number DFed, although they have access to that information. Nor do they keep record of people who commit suicide after being DFed, although they could easily do so if they wished. Collecting and publishing such information would not serve their interests.
I heard on the radio that in the United States they do not collect official statistics on the number of unarmed people killed by police. These figures need to be collected and collated unofficially by groups advocating change.
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£1 million pound fine
by pepperheart inhi a court in the uk in loughborough have fined the jws over £1 million pounds for the court costs for a child abuse case in loughborough in the east midlands..
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slimboyfat
"this is the time for apologies not appeals"
I wonder what JWs make of this when they read such stories.
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Racial Insensitivity
by Coded Logic in"blue" lives matter!
- sheriff david clarke at the rnc.
this bs really makes my blood boil.
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slimboyfat
Wow interesting to see where people on the forum stand.
I'm with coded logic 100%.
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"Circuits with Congregation Details", Effective September 1, 2016. Official Statistical for Dominican Republic, leaked.
by hildebrando inofficial information of congregations, languages, publishers, elders, ministerial servants, pioneers, special pioners, and names of circuit overseers, all in english:.
https://hildeydesa.blogspot.cl/2016/07/asambleas-de-circuito-2017-y-sesion-con.html.
bonus track in spanish: all outlines for circuit assemblies 2017, and annual pioneer meeting....
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slimboyfat
Wow.
How amazing it would be to have this data for the United States or the UK and other European countries.
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Jehovah's Witnesses and racial prejudice by Werner Cohn
by slimboyfat inrace is asserting itself as a problematic issue united states once more.
i always thought jws had a relatively good track record on race.
they preach a world without prejudice after all.
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slimboyfat
Race is asserting itself as a problematic issue United States once more. I always thought JWs had a relatively good track record on race. They preach a world without prejudice after all.
I found this interesting article from 1956 that makes a number of serious factual claims as well as analytical comments in relation to JWs and racial prejudice.
http://www.wernercohn.com/Resources/crisis%20copy.pdf
1. Cohn claims that half of Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States were black, but that the leadership was all white. I find it hard to believe African Americans comprised 50% of JWs in 1956. In 2014 it was 27% according to the Pew Survey. So the article is off to a bumpy start. But it gets more interesting.
2. At the time the article was written the Catholic Church promoted racial integration in the South but JWs rigidly maintained segregation.
3. JWs had separate congregations for black members in the south and in border states as far north as New Jersey.
4. Black congregations were also grouped into black circuits. There were also White and Hispanic circuits.
5. "Until recent years" black Witnesses were not invited to national conventions, "being furnished instead with Jim Crow gatherings". (I am not clear what this means)
6. The author visited the headquarters in 1952 and was told there were only two black JWs in the whole staff, one in the mail room and the other as a linotypist.
7. In the 1953 convention report, from the pictures, the leadership of JWs is exclusively white and black JWs are pictured cleaning up the kitchen or as African delegates in traditional costume.
8. "It is difficult indeed to escape the impression that the role which the Negro plays in the Witness organisation is very similar to that traditionally assigned him by the least enlightened sections of white society: he is regarded as best kept separate and not quite equal; often he is merely 'cleaning up the kitchen' while his white brother does the important theologising."
9. The society's literature counselled strongly against interracial marriage.
10. WT literature described races being kept separate in Africa as a natural state of affairs, despite more enlightened religions groups promoting integration at that time.
11. They described the South African apartheid regime as white people defending the civilisation they had introduced to Africa.
12. Cohn argues that this view of defending "civilisation" is ironic considering Watchtower literature had argued it didn't matter who won WW2, Hitler or the Allies, because they were both being used by Satan.
13. Cohn says that he personally found most white JWs friendly to black people and less prejudiced than the worst of the Watchtower literature and policies would suggest.
14. Interracial marriage was unheard among JWs in this period, was commonly disavowed in speech, as it was said it would bring "discredit" upon Jehovah's organisation.
15. JWs may appear to be non-conformists but in reality they lack the intellectual effort it would take to disavow the racial prejudice of society at large.
16. "Their non-conformity is merely mechanical and learned by rote from the dictatorial leaders of their organisation: it represents little more than a cantankerous eccentricity on religious and political matters. Culturally, Witnesses are strictly pedestrian. One is reminded of a mediocre writer who in straining for originality has to fall back on some such purely mechanical device such as eccentricity in punctuation and spelling." (What a fantastic analysis!)
17. JWs in the period constructed themselves as a protest group at odds with society, and this helost explain their appeal to black Americans as an oppressed group.
18. But JWs don't just reject the way the world is currently organised. They reject the very idea that humans are capable or that they should even attempt to achieve better.
19. A belief system that teaches that it made no difference whether Hitler or the Allies won the war, and that black people shouldn't fight discrimination is ethically deficient.
20. "Witnesses have given up all hope in the potentialities of the human race... No results of ours, of course, can be as spectacular as the Armageddon of Witnesses' fantasies; but unspectacular results that happen are ultimately more satisfying than the spectacular ones that don't."