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  £1 million pound fine

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
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  hi a court in the uk in loughborough have fined the jws over £1 million pounds for the court costs for a child abuse case in loughborough in the east midlands..

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  slimboyfat

  "this is the time for apologies not appeals"

  I wonder what JWs make of this when they read such stories.
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  slimboyfat

  Wow interesting to see where people on the forum stand.

  I'm with coded logic 100%.

  
  
  
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  "Circuits with Congregation Details", Effective September 1, 2016. Official Statistical for Dominican Republic, leaked.

  by hildebrando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  official information of congregations, languages, publishers, elders, ministerial servants, pioneers, special pioners, and names of circuit overseers, all in english:.

  https://hildeydesa.blogspot.cl/2016/07/asambleas-de-circuito-2017-y-sesion-con.html.

  bonus track in spanish: all outlines for circuit assemblies 2017, and annual pioneer meeting....

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  slimboyfat

  Wow.

  How amazing it would be to have this data for the United States or the UK and other European countries.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and racial prejudice by Werner Cohn

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  race is asserting itself as a problematic issue united states once more.

  i always thought jws had a relatively good track record on race.

  they preach a world without prejudice after all.

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  slimboyfat

  Race is asserting itself as a problematic issue United States once more. I always thought JWs had a relatively good track record on race. They preach a world without prejudice after all.

  I found this interesting article from 1956 that makes a number of serious factual claims as well as analytical comments in relation to JWs and racial prejudice.

  http://www.wernercohn.com/Resources/crisis%20copy.pdf

  1. Cohn claims that half of Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States were black, but that the leadership was all white. I find it hard to believe African Americans comprised 50% of JWs in 1956. In 2014 it was 27% according to the Pew Survey. So the article is off to a bumpy start. But it gets more interesting.

  2. At the time the article was written the Catholic Church promoted racial integration in the South but JWs rigidly maintained segregation.

  3. JWs had separate congregations for black members in the south and in border states as far north as New Jersey.

  4. Black congregations were also grouped into black circuits. There were also White and Hispanic circuits.

  5. "Until recent years" black Witnesses were not invited to national conventions, "being furnished instead with Jim Crow gatherings". (I am not clear what this means)

  6. The author visited the headquarters in 1952 and was told there were only two black JWs in the whole staff, one in the mail room and the other as a linotypist.

  7. In the 1953 convention report, from the pictures, the leadership of JWs is exclusively white and black JWs are pictured cleaning up the kitchen or as African delegates in traditional costume.

  8. "It is difficult indeed to escape the impression that the role which the Negro plays in the Witness organisation is very similar to that traditionally assigned him by the least enlightened sections of white society: he is regarded as best kept separate and not quite equal; often he is merely 'cleaning up the kitchen' while his white brother does the important theologising."

  9. The society's literature counselled strongly against interracial marriage.

  10. WT literature described races being kept separate in Africa as a natural state of affairs, despite more enlightened religions groups promoting integration at that time.

  11. They described the South African apartheid regime as white people defending the civilisation they had introduced to Africa.

  12. Cohn argues that this view of defending "civilisation" is ironic considering Watchtower literature had argued it didn't matter who won WW2, Hitler or the Allies, because they were both being used by Satan.

  13. Cohn says that he personally found most white JWs friendly to black people and less prejudiced than the worst of the Watchtower literature and policies would suggest.

  14. Interracial marriage was unheard among JWs in this period, was commonly disavowed in speech, as it was said it would bring "discredit" upon Jehovah's organisation.

  15. JWs may appear to be non-conformists but in reality they lack the intellectual effort it would take to disavow the racial prejudice of society at large.

  16. "Their non-conformity is merely mechanical and learned by rote from the dictatorial leaders of their organisation: it represents little more than a cantankerous eccentricity on religious and political matters. Culturally, Witnesses are strictly pedestrian. One is reminded of a mediocre writer who in straining for originality has to fall back on some such purely mechanical device such as eccentricity in punctuation and spelling." (What a fantastic analysis!)

  17. JWs in the period constructed themselves as a protest group at odds with society, and this helost explain their appeal to black Americans as an oppressed group.

  18. But JWs don't just reject the way the world is currently organised. They reject the very idea that humans are capable or that they should even attempt to achieve better.

  19. A belief system that teaches that it made no difference whether Hitler or the Allies won the war, and that black people shouldn't fight discrimination is ethically deficient.

  20. "Witnesses have given up all hope in the potentialities of the human race... No results of ours, of course, can be as spectacular as the Armageddon of Witnesses' fantasies; but unspectacular results that happen are ultimately more satisfying than the spectacular ones that don't."
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  Latest UPDATE UK Charity Commission investigation

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  good afternoon,.

  i am writing to give you a quick update about our ongoing statutory inquiries into safeguarding and charities linked to jehovah’s witnesses.. as you may know, one of our inquiries is into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

  we opened this inquiry in 2014. watch tower then initiated what turned out to be protracted litigation against us.

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  slimboyfat

  Vidiot in the UK we don't have "separation of church and state", but we do have freedom of religion.

  The charity commission apparently decided long ago that "Bible education work" counts as charity.

  Maybe the purpose of the exercise is to raise awareness about the lack of charity going on rather than actually aiming to get them removed.
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  Latest UPDATE UK Charity Commission investigation

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  good afternoon,.

  i am writing to give you a quick update about our ongoing statutory inquiries into safeguarding and charities linked to jehovah’s witnesses.. as you may know, one of our inquiries is into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

  we opened this inquiry in 2014. watch tower then initiated what turned out to be protracted litigation against us.

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  slimboyfat

  I find it hard to believe the UK will strip JWs of charity status unless they take it away from all religions. JWs have problems, but I don't know that it's enough to single them out and stigmatise them in this way.
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  Latest UPDATE UK Charity Commission investigation

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  good afternoon,.

  i am writing to give you a quick update about our ongoing statutory inquiries into safeguarding and charities linked to jehovah’s witnesses.. as you may know, one of our inquiries is into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

  we opened this inquiry in 2014. watch tower then initiated what turned out to be protracted litigation against us.

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  slimboyfat

  I wonder, what reasons did they give for objecting to the enquiry even taking place?
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  How the Bethel family responded to the bethel layoffs (profanity warning ***)

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think we can say many of those laid off no longer trust the governing body because of being lied to repeatedly over so many things.

  things are getting very explosive at the governing body's home location kind of ties right in with being moved to a seriously pcp contamined chemical dump site, in fact bad karma has come to rest where ever these stupid lying clowns go.

  these gbs are a bunch of real ass holes and they treat the faithful shit and expect them to just take it like a bunch of dummy drones.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8kuldpksze.

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  slimboyfat

  When did this happen? I thought it was 2015. The brother in the video seems to have transitioned from bethelite to apostate pretty rapidly if so!
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  What happened to Marvin Schilmer and his Blog against the JW's?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspoturl=https://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/07/complete-donation-what-happened.html.

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  slimboyfat

  Ha Terry that's a good quality laugh.
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  TOP 10 REASONS (Why JW's can't cope with the Real World

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top ten reasons.

  (why) jehovah's witnesses can't cope with the real world____________________.

  the watchtower organization denies access to reality, substituting its own version instead.

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  slimboyfat

  Very good!

  I would maybe wish to add a factor that makes the JW worldview so sedictive. In the modern world where old certainties are in flux and old answers are always tentative and relative, JWs hold out the offer of a worldview with definite answers to all life's difficult questions: like how should men and women conduct themselves in relation to each other; what is it useful spending your life doing; is political and social engagement worthwhile; what is the future of humanity. JWs attract people who like definite answers to these sorts of questions, and who find the shifting sands of the modern world unsettling or even distressing. For many people, the security of such certainties has great value, prompting them to overlook the quality of the answers offered. It's why JWs can also tolerate a lot of doctrinal shift too. The certainty of the answers and worldview offered is more important than the actual content of the answers.