ok i want to pose a question to those who care to discuss this.. imagine a scenario.
you hear of a exjw writing a book, however, before writing this book this exjw is requesting money to publish said book.
you go along with it and help to get this book out to the public as you think that it will be beneficial.
Where is the 2000 sales figure from?
Sales ranks look pretty good on all pages.
At £20 new it's not cheap, and 2000 sales already at that price doesn't seem bad at all. But I wonder whether the optimum price may have been a bit lower. Maybe £10 to £15.
Anyone can write a book on any subject they like and charge whatever they like. It's up to others whether they buy or not.
I find it annoying that some people think work should be given away free. Or that writing is not real work.
october 2, 2017 to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: contributions received at the 2017 annual meeting.
The continuous begging for money is embarrassing.
And subject to diminishing returns, one suspects.
we know from casual observation that if anybody does respond to their preaching/recruiting work it is usually someone that is a social misfit in some way or a person that was indoctrinated early in life.. think about all the nicer neighborhoods witnesses preach in.
if a family of four with a father that is an engineer and a mother who is a medical professional ever walked into a kingdom hall for the first time and said they were studying, people would faint.
lol.... this of course isn't what you would expect from a religion backed by the ultimate intelligent creator.
Ha! Steve
btw I know of no normal families becoming JWs in my lifetime. I heard of it happening in the 1970s and earlier.
when does the number of memorial partakers get released for 2017. i was wondering if the number will surpass 20k.
It's things like this that really make me wonder what goes through the minds of JWs these days. How do they justify it to themselves? To my mind, at one time, JW beliefs were at least plausible. And if you wanted to find problems with JW doctrine, such as 607 BCE, you had to specifically go looking for them. At least the doctrinal system was in itself coherent, even if it lacked outside evidence or support.
But with the overlapping generation, and increasing partakers, the inconsistencies are right out in the open.
The typical JW reaction seems to be just to avoid talking about these issues. That doesn't seem normal. Most JWs must know something's not right. I just find it weird.
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
I found this book helpful, for what it's worth.
It basically explains how faith can make sense in a postmodern world. In fact makes the best sense. This relates most directly to morality as God is the source of a definite morality. But during the explanation it does a good job of explaining social constructionism too. It's not polemical but has an assured confidence in its position.
first they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
It's nothing to do with the guns. It would have happened without the guns. Don't exploit the situation by talking about guns.
And other such nonsense. Does it never get old?
jwvictims.org has another breaking news article out of canada: https://jwvictims.org/2017/10/02/breaking-news-66-million-class-action-suit-request-filed-against-jws-in-canada/.
If this was the UK, that sort of penalty would wipe out most of their available funds. On top of everything else putting pressure on finances, this must be a serious worry for Watchtower leaders.
Maybe gathering all funds from local congregation into a centrally available pot (ripe for claims) was not such a bright idea. On the other hand maybe they saw it coming and it was the only way to keep the organisation afloat.
a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.
they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.
they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?
If true, I predicted this 9 years too early. ;-)
a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.
they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.
they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?
Isn't a major role of COs to keep elders in line, push them to meet organisational targets, and make sure funds are not being misappropriated.
If COs are really abolished we might expect to see more renegade elders, cliques, infighting, nepotism, laziness, money going missing, less preaching, fewer pioneers, late paperwork, all that sort of thing.
just went to the assembly yesterday and during the final talk the circuit overseer said:.
'sure, there are some adults baptised here and there, but do you want to know something wonderful?
the vast majority of those getting baptized are teens and preteens!
Depends on the size of the country. In the UK I think it is doable to keep track of congregation numbers. For smaller European countries even more so. They could fudge the congregation numbers slightly. (Is it a peak or an average number anyway?) But in the long run, keeping track of congregation numbers will be the best way to measure JW decline because 1) we can count it independently 2) you can't fake the existence of a publicly listed congregation 3) it's directly comparable to other religious groups as few other measures are 4) it gives a measure, not just of number of adherents, but of commitment since it requires effort, volunteers and funds to maintain a congregation.
