The difference is that if a single or disabled brother or sister dreams about fulfilling their sexual desires if circumstances change they are committing no sin. A homosexual who dreams about fulfilling their desires is always committing a sin by the very thought. So the situations are not equivalent.
slimboyfat
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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slimboyfat
Not talking about number of casualties. Talking about the potential of technology to end civilisation that did not exist until the end of WW2 and now makes any future total war existential.
The secular equivalent of the JW argument is the often made observation that if there is a Third World War then the next world war after that will be fought using sticks and stones. Which is optimisic in terms of human survival.
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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slimboyfat
I don't think so. I think the official JW position now is that gay people are probably born that way but that they should deny themselves.
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How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?
by waton in`~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .
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slimboyfat
Please don't anyone waste any time working out how long an overlapping generation can last. You might as well try to map out the end of a rainbow. When the time comes they'll come up with a new explanation. The sheer futility of the mental exercise involved in taking the proposition at all seriously is just too depressing to contemplate.
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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slimboyfat
That assumption is included in the assumption that "the prophecy is true".
In as much as, if there is no God, it makes little sense to talk about there being true prophecy.
You can always pull assumptions down into even more basic units ad infinitum. Even the assumption "there is a God" can be broken down. It assumes God can be defined, that he either exists or does not exist, and that humans can find out one way or the other. And so on.
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Lessons learned from the wife of lot drama
by purrpurr inthe video drama shown at the recent comvention was called "the wife of lot".
i noticed some stuble lessons being taught in this soap opera style video.... firstly, all the bad influence comes from women, its the wife and the mother in law whose pushing for more money and a better lifestyle.
while the men remain loyal to god, can't show the men going astray now can we?.
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slimboyfat
The most sinister character was male: the woman's uncle.
Taking off shoes is a nod to oriental culture, but pretty universal these days, I'd have thought.
Subtle? The most striking thing about the sitcom was the appearance of Joey from Friends. Ha! What was that about?
Joking aside.
I wondered what was Brian's position in the congregation? On the one hand, a man with a pioneer wife, and two daughters, if he is not an elder that would raise questions. On the other hand, the way he acted with Br. Williams and Joe, didn't seem like he was an elder. It seemed strangely ambiguous.
One of the things I found interesting was the use of words like "religious" and "conservative" in ways that are mainstream and not distinctive JW usage. For example the daughter's colleagues describe her family as "conservative". Normally JWs might dispute this sort of political categorisation and insist JWs are neither conservative nor liberal they follow the Bible.
Also the free use of the word "religion" when defending JW practice to non JW family. At one time JWs would have avoided describing themselves as religious or JWs as a religion.
And they seemed a bit isolated in the KH. Apart from Joe and Br. Williams did they know anyone?
What got them into JWs in the first place?
Where are his extended family are they JWs?
The obsession with property seems a bit rich coming from a prominent New York property company. Like the scripture says, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So it's not surprising that property business comes to mind when they are creating a drama.
Plus if you want to say that secular work is not as important as preaching, you might want to choose a less debateable example than the daughter working on a cure for rare illnesses! Given all the many jobs that add little or nothing to overall human wellbeing, it was an odd choice. Or actually maybe it was intentional, to say no job, no matter how worthy, is as important as being a good JW.
The family that came into the truth was interesting too. It was like a time warp because that's how people became JWs in the 70s, 80s and even 90s, as whole families due to preaching of colleagues or on the doors. But I just don't think it happens much like that any more, not in western countries anyway. People become JWs because of family, longstanding connections, or because they are isolated individuals. Whole families don't tend to join JWs any more.
Plus the reason for them joining was presented as a sort of self-improvement agenda, with Joe becoming more disciplined and family life improving. No mention of Bible prophecy and the last days as a motivating factor at all, which was the main thing that brought whole families in during the 1970s.
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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slimboyfat
The argument is quite straight forward, but it relies on a few assumptions.
1. The prophecy about great wars in the last days is true.
2. Human civilisation will still be intact up until Armageddon.
3. You can't have another world war in the era of nuclear weapons without ending civilisation.
If all those things hold true, then it makes sense for JWs to argue we are in the last days, on the basis of the wars of the past century, and that Armageddon must come before the next world war or nuclear apocalypse.
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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slimboyfat
The "terrifiying footage" of the woman being turned to salt was not that terrifying really. Not as bad as some of the old pictures of Armageddon you used to get for example.
On the gay issue, I thought it was interesting the wife said something like, "gay people are born that way, they don't choose it". Which a lot of JWs will agree with. Society is changing attitudes on this issue pretty rapidly. JWs will probably come to terms with it at some point. A few years ago JWs would have insisted it was a choice and people are not born gay. So like others they are moving in that direction slowly but surely.
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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention
by UnshackleTheChains inyes folks.
over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.
most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.
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slimboyfat
Yes I think my convention was very similar to yours and I noticed the same points.
In particular the bethel brother emphasised that probably not all partakers at the memorial are genuine. So don't worry about the number, he said. (Are they going to stop publishing the number?) Then he said that "even if every single partaker is genuine" that still not all partakers count as part of the "overlapping generation". To be honest, to me he did not seem to say this with a great deal of conviction. It was a part of the talk he had to get through.
On the other hand he was much more confident delivering what I think is the strongest JW argument for living in the "last days". That's the observation that WW2 is pretty much the worst war humanity can ever expect to fight without ending civilisation itself. So therefore the end must come before a future war escalates into nuclear holocaust and the end of humanity.
Although he mentioned 607 a number of times, this seemed to be in relation to Habakkuk rather than tying it with 1914. I didn't really follow this point to be honest.
What I thought was totally weird was the way everyone uses tablets rather than Bibles. I use the Bible. Plus when they "released" the children's book but had no copies to hand out, was very disappointing.
I actually laughed out loud when the speaker said, "we are 103 years into the 'short period of time'". I honestly thought it was meant as a self-deprecating joke. Probably not, I thought I heard others laugh too, but maybe imagined it.
I met an "unbelieving husband" who recommended I watch "Cedars, JW survey" on YouTube. I pretended I didn't know what he was talking about! Sorry about that, if you're reading this. You know who I am now!
I met a few others who were enjoying the event to various degrees without necessarily believing it all. (Again you know who you are. I won't get too specific!)
And lots of friendly true believers too of course.
It was in general quite a friendly open atmosphere. The talks were not too hardline. In fact most were pretty enjoyable, like the one about the animals. And the drama was pretty good. The anti-gay bit was the only bit I didn't really like. Funny how they had a "Joe" character who was like Joey out of Friends.
As I say, to me the weirdest thing was the lack of book releases, and lack of Bibles, with everyone using tablets instead.
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1975 - JWs in other countries, not just the U.S. also knew about the prediction
by deegee ini have been wondering, if the 1975 prediction was just a rumour started by the rank & file as the wt claims, then how did jws in other countries, a part from the u.s., also come to know about the prediction?.
i started studying with the jws during the 80s when i was a child.
while attending one of my first meetings during that time, a brother commented during the wt study that armageddon did not come in 1975 because it was not known how many years after adam, eve was created.. at the time, i hadn't a clue what the guy was talking about.
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slimboyfat
In some countries it was a much bigger than in the US, like the Philippines, and other countries it wasn't a bit deal at all, like Italy. I've got the graphs that show this.