1. are jesus and michael the archangel really the same person?.
one of the most peculiar of the wtss teachings is their assertion that jesus is actually michael the archangel.
" in acts 10:19-20, this "impersonal force" considers himself to be a person.
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? If you’re going to quote a scripture at least ‘make the application’ as we used to say in da troof.
see, she's not really quoting scriptures. she's saying things that sound obtuse enough to be biblical, but she doesn't provide any reference to a passage. she's either plagiarizing the bible as her own thoughts by not including a reference or she is just completely bonkers.
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since this is the 4th of july weekend, do any of you display the american flag in or around you home?.
i have to admit, although i have been faded for many years, i find it difficult to even own anything with the american flag symbol.
when i first left i put a flag up. i kind of equated displaying the flag with flipping the bird to the WT. later, i took it down because i'm just not that kind of guy.
this is gonna sound retarded, but i'm a citizen of the world (wow, that really does sound stupid) and countries/borders are completely arbitrary and meaningless. to me, the very concept of 'pledging allegiance' to anything is ridiculously short sighted.
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cyp .
censer watchtower esse delendam .
have you guys ever heard ben harper? he plays pretty much all styles of music (and does them all really well...blues, reggae, folky, harder rock), but sometimes i'll be sittin back listening and i realize, "hey...this is like, the 5th song about jesus in a row...WTF?"
technically, i guess he's more gospely than christian rock...kind of like how you don't think of bob marley as christian music, even though he sang about jesus and stuff sometimes.
whatever...yeah, after a description like this, now no one will check out ben harper's stuff. fine, whatever...screw you guys. [goes off to the corner to pout with his jesus music.]
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453552.1027777777.html
iran's new president declares worldwide 'islamic revolution'
special to world tribune.com.
I think we will see a major Middle East war in the next 10 years - I wish it were not the case but I fear it will be
you mean another one?
1. are jesus and michael the archangel really the same person?.
one of the most peculiar of the wtss teachings is their assertion that jesus is actually michael the archangel.
" in acts 10:19-20, this "impersonal force" considers himself to be a person.
hellrider:
Right, you`re three last posts makes absolutely no sense at all. Is there a some sort of a code in there somewhere, or something? If it`s JW-propaganda, you must excuse me
hope you brought your special decoder ring!
yeah, if you find out the code, could you let the rest of us know? mye pops up every now and again for some good ole proselytizing action. she's not a JW (she could've told you that, but i guess she didn't feel like it), more like a born again or something. i know...the last thing we need (or will passively listen to) is MORE preaching after our time with the JWs, but some people apparently just don't get it.
have fun!
a long hoilday weekend coming up.
any special plans?.
in milwaukee, summerfest begins, and a bunch here, (those who post) in wisconsin are going.. what do you like to do.
In Milwaukee, Summerfest begins, and a bunch here, (those who post) in Wisconsin are going
man, i'm jealous. i haven't been to summerfest in years. i heard the pixies were playing it this year. should be cool
guess i'll just stick to beer, hotdogs and then some more beer for my celebration. god bless america.
the above subject is a quote from the movie dogma, and that just describes how i feel when i read about all the jw related stuff.
i guess the "how dumb can wts pubs be" threads and my own reply of the family guy quote to the jws on therapy thread just got me thinking about this.
do you guys ever just look at it all and be like ".. where do you even start with this?
yeah, i feel the same way. it used to be exasperation, but now it's more like pity. i just have to shake my head.
lately, i've been looking at it like this:
statistically, no matter what you come up with, someone will believe it. it's inevitable that there will always be 'fringe' groups of any religion, political structure, art form...whatever. usually it's completely benign, but even the truly harmful belief structures statistically HAVE to have true believers. i'm not saying that there's no hope for those that are currently JWs (that, unfortunately, they're fated to be diehards), i'm just saying that to aspire to "bring the WT down" is somewhat futile (at least on a large scale). there will always be true believers. i'm content with the 80/10/10 rule (in this case, 80% for all intents and purposes don't care, 10% are adamently opposed, and 10% are diehards). for me, this view takes away the exasperation when i seem to make no progress on my parents. i won't give up on them, but it's not worth stressing over because it's inevitable that some people will believe no matter what.
okay, it has been years since i cared about what a mormon does or says.
so to even question their beliefs and wonder what they mean, has been no interest to me.
yet when i am watching something that should not even be about religion and they mention something that makes me wonder, i have to ask.
3/The Garden of Eden in JC isn't such a stretch if you also believe that the continents where all in one place and broke up after the flood.
i remember when i was little and learned about Pangea in school, i came home all excited and asked my dad if that was how the native americans got to north america (thinking maybe they rode NA like a raft). he laughed and told me about the bering strait. he told me that the continents began to split 100s of millions of years ago (between 200 and 300 million)...waaaaaay before homo sapiens.
for a diehard JW, he did have a decent grasp of at least some science.
(oops...this didn't have anything to do with mormons. sorry)
just registered and thought i'd say hello.
been browsing the board here occasionally for a while, and thought i might want to join in now and then, so here i am.
for me, a lot of this brings up odd memories from long ago - though for many struggling in the jehovah's witless grip currently, it's clearly a lifeline and i wish it had been around when i was 'doing the fade' (as i've seen it referred to, and a great way to put it, btw) nearly 20 years ago.
"eh, heh, heh...he said "new member"..."
god i feel old. anyway, welcome
hi, i was just wondering what the jw's beliefs in evolution and the big bang were.
is there an official position on this?
i was reading the offiical website but i couldn't really find anything definite.
JWs believe in a literal creation of the universe. they believe in 'adaptation' within 'kinds' of animals (whatever that means) but not evolution.
the only aspect in which they differ from young earth, fundamental creationists, is the young earth part. they allow the 6 days of genesis to refer to milleniums instead of literal days, so that the universe can be the billions of billions of years old that it is.
