Posts by bavman

i have read many opinions about jw's being a cult.a dictionary describes cult as a system of religious beliefs and ritual .. some have viewed even major religions as a cult, such as the roman catholic church.based upon webster almost anybody or anything that is viewed as ritualistic could be said to be cultic.when someone tries to negate jehovah's witnesses by using.

the "cult" word, i believe they are not seeing that many others could legitimately be regarded as a cult or at least "cultic".therefore the word loses alot of meaning.

some have said that the watchtower is a cult because of the control factor.

bavman

According to the "Sociology of Religion" class I just finished Jehovah's Witnesses would be regarded as a sect NOT a cult. All religions start out as cults, then evolve into sects and then religions. Personally, I don't think these definitions change anything however. Perhaps any of these (religions, sects, cults) could be helpful in some way but also quite harmful. We have the choice to decide how they effect us and others and the power to leave abusive situations.

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Anyone from Wisconsin (north of Milwaukee)?

by Ziggy in

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i just moved to wisconsin and wonder if there is anyone who posts on this site who is from the milwaukee area, specifically in the suburbs north of the city?

any groups that meet up periodically anywhere in the milwaukee area?

ziggy

bavman

Hi Ziggy. I'm in the general area you describe. There are others in the area who get together at times. PM me if you want my e-mail address and want to talk. Take care!

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I Can't Do Any More - Can You?

by Joe Grundy in

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when i first posted here, i explained that it was because although i am not, never have been, never will, be a jw, i have (earthly, as an atheist) loving concern for my jw neighbours/friends.. just recently, i found out that the mom is pregnant.

she is not young, has a 6 year old, and a 2 year old who is like a firecracker!.

i have offered to do basic things like take/collect the 6 year old to and from school, take the kids for walks on beach, etc.

bavman

Joe,

I know it is frustrating but please don't dispair. Just "be there" for the kid's especially. I was raised a witness boy but I remember at least one "worldly" neighbor in particular who would always spend time talking with me, playing basketball with me and inviting me to play softball with he and his wife and friends. He would ask me if I 'really liked being a witness' and I would lie and say 'yes' out of fearful respect for my parents. My point is just be friendly and be you. You never know what kind of good impression you might make on the kids. I remember fondly my neighbor and it helped me see "worldly" people are "good". Keep up the good work!

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Poem-JW Blues

by bavman in

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or as i like to call it...where the hell are you jesus?

(please don't laugh .

well, some say he walked on water.

bavman

or as I like to call it...Where The Hell Are You Jesus? (please don't laugh )

Well, some say he walked on water

Some say he raised the dead

Some say he brings peace to families

Then why does he use a sword to divide them instead?

Oh, Jesus, who are you really?

Why should I even care?

You said that you were coming

Then you vanished right into thin air

So where the hell are you Jesus?

You promised to end all dispair

Where the hell are you Jesus?

And why the hell do I even care?

I work and I tithe and I tell everyone

The good news that soon will come

Oh what a fool I am, I've been duped again

Cuz there isn't even anyone there

Only sad lonely fools looking up to the clouds

And waving those tracts in the air

So where the hell are you Jesus?

You promised to end all dispair

Where the hell are you Jesus?

And why the hell do I even care?

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Do You "Believe" In The Bible At All?

by minimus in

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does anyone believe it's "inspired of god"?

bavman

The Bible - NOT God's Word but Man's

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Pro-JW Websites

by bavman in

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here's a couple to check out if you can handle it without throwing up in your mouth.

one of these even gives warnings about apostate sites and how to "safeguard" your mind from the attacks of apostates (lies...all lies...).

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/csoon.html.

bavman

Here's a couple to check out if you can handle it without throwing up in your mouth. One of these even gives warnings about apostate sites and how to "safeguard" your mind from the attacks of apostates (lies...all lies...)

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/csoon.html

http://www.jehovah.to/

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Laughing laughing laughing

by darcy in

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wow.. so, you know i'm an active witness, very active.

hah.

and i'm not laughing at y'all, but wow, i can't believe how extensive this is.

bavman

Darcy,

If I said everything you just said to my elder Dad or any of the elders I would find myself in hot water (wait...I already am). However, your circumstances are different. You have found a way to make things work for you (at least for now). I say 'fine with that'. Also, judging by your last post (cuz I haven't read them all) you seem pretty damn cool. Too bad there aren't more like you in the borg. Actually, the way you are going about things reminds me of how I use to (I'm very laid back also). The problem is eventually they catch on to you. Maybe they will with you or maybe not. I wish you the best...

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counsel to youth

by bluebeads in

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-> no higher education...i mean what the hell is wrong with these ppl?.

i'm 19, i'm a publisher and screw that i' am going to university!!

just finished my 2nd year.

bavman

but yet 20 year olds are getting married so damn young in this organization and they are getting praised just b/c they are pioneering...give it 10 years max and more than 75% of them are either separated or are struggling and catching their asses trying to make ends meet.

Yup, that was me....STAY IN SCHOOL AND DON'T GET MARRIED! Christ...I'm beginning to sound like some old guy or sumpin'

Good job and just keep telling everyone to back off. Your doing it right.