Posts by fiddler

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They are really begging for money again..

by XBEHERE in

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sorry i don't know how to post the actual letter but here is the text of it.

lol.

christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses 2821 route 22, patterson, ny 12563-2237 phone: (845) 306-1100.

fiddler

The part of that letter that angered me was this:

This giving spirit is in sharp contrast to the selfish attitude of those in the world around us. While many spend their resources on personal pleasures and on enriching their own lives, you faithful ones have put the needs of others ahead of your own.

That statement is a bald faced lie! In just my own area I see so much giving and helping in the community by churches and others helping strangers in times of need and tragedy.

When I left the organization that was one of the big things I took note of. The people I met were NOT what I'd always been told they were; selfish and materialistic. Oh, some had great homes and cars but hey, so did a fair few of the elders in the congregations I attended over the years.

I hate the way they lie.

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If YOUR Child Turned Out To Be A Child Abuser Would You Hate Him?

by minimus in

let me say, from the beginning, that i believe child abuse is disgusting and terrible and abusers should be punished.. we often react to the subject by getting very riled up, sometimes threatening to beat up or even kill an abuser.. i wonder, would you feel the same way if you realized that your child was an abuser?.

fiddler

Just a PS to this............my husband was a baptised JW when I married him. That he suffered abuse as a child of fundemental Christian parents is just a part of the picture. The WT facilitated further abuse.

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If YOUR Child Turned Out To Be A Child Abuser Would You Hate Him?

by minimus in

let me say, from the beginning, that i believe child abuse is disgusting and terrible and abusers should be punished.. we often react to the subject by getting very riled up, sometimes threatening to beat up or even kill an abuser.. i wonder, would you feel the same way if you realized that your child was an abuser?.

fiddler

I haven't read all the responses but this is something I DO think about. My only child out of 4 that remained a JW also is the only one with a child........my grandchild! She has cut me off so I don't know how things are with her and my little grandbaby but I do know that she was raised with abuse.

My husband was raised in an abusive enviromemt..........not JW..........fundy Christian.............and I learned that he had routinely 'disciplined' our kids while I was away in the same manner he himself was disiplined.........ABUSE! By being 'away' I mean when I was doing grocery shopping or working. My kids withheld this information from me until they were teenagers but I knew it was true when I heard it. I knew something was not quite right but I didn't dig deep enough while I was IN the religion. This I will carry with me to my grave.

Since being 'cut off' from my daughter I really wonder how things are going for her and my grandchild. I wonder if the 'apple hasn't fallen far from the tree' so to speak. I wonder what is going on with my grandbaby.

I don't know how to reach them. My daughter doesn't respond to my messages so I don't even know if she's getting them I don't know where she is living at present.

If it came to light that she had abused her child............my grandchild...........I would hold the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society wholly at fault!

When that baby was born I was the one who could have helped my daughter through the family demons. Her siblings would have been there for her as well. She was left with a philandering husband who I'm sure has threatened her with the loss of her son if she has any contact with us......that is what I believe although I may be wrong. Whatever................she needs her family. The governing body of JW are criminally negligent as far as I'm concerned. They have facilitated so much horror through their teachings and the shunning policy I just wish a lawsuit could be brought against them. Maybe some day a really BIG class action law suit will be.

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Article: It's Time to Outlaw Extreme Shunning in Modern Society

by AndersonsInfo in

http://gilmermirror.com/bookmark/23272594/article-extreme%20shunning#.ufwjurllscm.facebook.

extreme shunningthe gilmer mirror.

its time to outlaw extreme shunning in modern society by: richard e. kelly .

fiddler

I've read this thread and now have a very cautious attitude towards Band on the Runs posts.

Band on the Run................have you taken your meds today?

sorry but your responses to Barbara are not loving or kind.............and love is the ultimate answer to all of this.

Shunning like the JW's do it is NOT loving. I broadcast it to everyone who will listen and I know others do as well. Eventually I hope that the governments will listen but I don't hold my breath on that.

However............the people will listen. The little seeds we plant (and we are a small minority) will build to a conclusion I believe. Thoughts that go out are powerful and expand exponentially. That is progress.

Yes, I know that repressive regimes gain power and human rights suffer but with the exponential effects of things like the internet I think that every thought counts.

Who here believes that the earth is flat? Why don't you believe that?

Someone dared to counter common belief.

It may be a slow process but it is a process.

Band on the Run...............CHILL OUT!

Keep kicking at the darkness until it bleeds daylight ~ Bruce Cockburn

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Going door to door in extreme weather

by JH in

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this morning as i got up, it was 0 f outside.

this morning at 9 o'clock as usual the same witnesses will go door to door at this temperature.

i already saw them going door to door at -25 f. i wonder what it would take for them to say it is too cold or too hot to go out in the field service?

fiddler

Interesting this thread has been 'resurrected' with the extremes of weather (heat related) going on in many parts of the US. I did go out in triple digit weather down in AZ during a month of auxillary pioneering. It was miserable. I've also gone out in rain, rain, and more rain in the Pacific NW where I am now and in both extremes I do remember wondering if the householders were thinking we were just crazy rather than impressed with our zeal.

Now, of course, I know............they thought we were crazy.

For those of you down in Arizona and other hot places, have you seen the dubs out? If they're dragging small children along behind them DO report them to child protective services.

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Depression & natural ways to deal with it

by love2Bworldly in

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i was on prozac for about 10 years, and finally went off all meds about 18 months ago.

the prozac was causing me to have manic episodes, so they added a bipolar medicine as well as a sleep aid, and the bipolar medicine made me dizzy & nauseaus.

so now i work really hard at exercising regularly, i take a lot of natural supplements including natural lithium & megadoses of omega upon advice of a homeopathic doctor.

fiddler

I'm with HBH......Kratom!

I would add that exercise and good diet work hand in hand but the Kratom definitely takes the edge off anxiety on bad days.

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Pets are false gods

by Rattigan350 in

i"m listening to the 2013 dc green bay saturday talk on false gods.. the speaker says no one would knowingly worship false deities.

but could we inadvertantly give jehovah less than exclusive devotion he deserves.. he said:you have not allowed this deception power of sin to sensual desires, material comforts, pets, technology, entertainment or food to become objects of devotion to you.. anything that interferes with our spiriutal routine has the power of eroding or weaking our relationship with jehovah.. .

my dogs can erode my relationship with jehovah.

fiddler

Dogs and cats could teach the GB a thing or two about love and life (cats mostly for the latter). We can learn so much from our furry companions.........so much more than the drivel that the Watchtower spews forth.

This just sickens me even more....................if there is a god............strike them with lightening NOW!

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What do you think happens when we die?

by cognac in

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i'm trying to figure it out.

if we are just dead then there is no point to anything i do.

i'd like to hope our energy goes somewhere... but, i'd like to examine what somebody presents as proof....

fiddler

Guess we'll find out when we get there but personally............I think there are multiple options. It's kinda like what the movie "What Dreams May Come" suggested........we get what we wished for.

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When Did Dr. Alexander Hislops Become A Pariah to the Watchtower Society?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i am going to be speaking to the 45-55 years old plus generation here.

i bought my first copy around 1980, it was the thing to do because it proved most of christendom's believes came from nimrod, and by the end of the 1980s the book and the name faded away into oblivion.. .

the watchtower use to print that book or distribute it, am i correct or has my memory gotten bad?

fiddler

I do remember reading very carefully and precisely the societies book about "Babylon the Great Has Fallen God's Kingdom Rules"............I was slightly obsessed with that book. I think now it was because it really set in the 'cognitive dissonance' roots that later grew to fruition ............well............at least it was part of it. I also remember feeling good that it had the backing of a 'worldly writer' Hyslop's 'Two Babylons'. Although I never took the book in hand I do know that the book was acceptable reading material in the JW approved library and many of the elders and old timers had it.

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Trivia about the history of the beloved Governing Body

by Terry in

the very first legal governing body of (jehovah's witnesses) bible students were seven persons which included pastor c.t.russell, his wife maria, and his controversial ward, rose ball.. five men and two women.

these seven persons were also the directors of the watchtower bible and tract society.

this group set policies and practices for the rest of the religious followers of pastor russell.

fiddler

This has been a very interesting read for me especially when I consider my own family history on my dad's side. Ever since I was little my memories of my grandfather were that he was treated like an outcast; an apostate actually as I learned later. He died when I was around 8 years old but my aunts never had much good to say about him. What little I remember of him was that he was a nice old granddaddy and as a shy little girl I wasn't at all afraid of him. I never could understand the vitriol spouted against him even calling him a Satanist.

Of my dad's siblings only one out of the 9 was never a JW. She was the oldest. So last year I finally got to sit and talk with her. She's 90 years old but absolutely on the ball and active......one very cool and wise lady! I enjoyed my conversation with her so much but one thing came out that surprised me. I brought up her dad not expecting HER to be against him and she said in an irritated way, "he's the reason our family got caught up in that religion". She blamed him.

I said, "but he wasn't one of Jehovah's witnesses. The JW's in the family treated him terribly"

She didn't have much more to say on that except to reconfirm that HE was to blame. He introduced the religion to my grandmother and the rest was history.

So now I think I know............he was a Russlelite originally and one of the 75% that fell away. My grandmother, aunts and my dear old hard nosed father that chose to shun me completely when he was dying were of that 'tough, feisty and cocksure' bunch.

That explains a lot. Thanks for that information!