And theism is just one idea. You can get over one idea through another idea, but getting over ideas across the board is going to do a lot more than targeting what may be key ideas. And it is about you getting over it, rather than a method or way or thinking about it. If we're talking about getting over thoughts, then of course you wouldn't rely on another thought. For that matter there is no recommendation as to adopting new ways of thinking, it is about you 'taking charge'. Thats why these discussions go back to knowing yourself, because it is a matter of knowing who you are as the one who thinks the thoughts, rather than you defined and limited by the ideas you have. That might even sound very similar, but one is pre-thought and one is post-thought. If you pay close attention you can get a good sense of who you are before the thought even arises, before recalling the beliefs or counter-beliefs you might have heard. What is that like?
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Do you really want to get over it?
by Markfromcali ini'm asking if people might take a moment to seriously consider this.
now by asking this question i don't mean to imply anything like "just get over it already" - i don't think it's so simple as that.
but it's occurred to me that the mental freedom is actually not as valuable to some people as other things, and we do know the jw experience does effect other things in one's life like relationships and livelihood, or one's ability in these kinds of life arenas.
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Our Friend, Outnfree, Needs Our Help!
by Robdar inas most of you are aware, our friend, brenda, aka outnfree, has been diagnosed with breast cancer and is undergoing chemo.
i asked her if she would mind if we did a weekly prayer vigil and she said that she would appreciate it.
she thinks that thursdays would be good since that is when she goes to the doctor to receive the chemo.
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Markfromcali
Brenda, there is a way to upload a picture directly to JWD, and if there isn't an existing pic from a 'fest you can always have film developed into electronic format these days..
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Medicinal marijuana
by jula71 ini've heard from the "society" that prescription drugs under a doctor's care is acceptable regarding the "keep your body clean" excuse they give smoking.
what about medicinal marijuana, which is legal in some states and gaining popularity?
i've checked the dub "library" and found very little.
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Political correctness no doubt has something to do with it, eh?
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Our Friend, Outnfree, Needs Our Help!
by Robdar inas most of you are aware, our friend, brenda, aka outnfree, has been diagnosed with breast cancer and is undergoing chemo.
i asked her if she would mind if we did a weekly prayer vigil and she said that she would appreciate it.
she thinks that thursdays would be good since that is when she goes to the doctor to receive the chemo.
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Markfromcali
Do we have a pic of Brenda or is she incognito? BTW you have a pm Brenda.
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Let's go HYPER!!! - Warning Will Robinson, Dansk time ahead...
by LittleToe inas you are probably very well aware, one of our posters is fighting a nasty and rare form of lymphoma.. .
ian has a lot of grit, and would really appreciate our positive thoughts/vibes/prayers, etc., whatever suits your paradigm .
it's every tuesday evening, with the first tuesday of a month (like this one) making a special effort to join in for a hyper-effort!!!
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I don't usually do this anymore, but here is a Metta: May you be safe from internal and external harm.
May you have a calm, clear mind and a peaceful, loving heart.
May you be physically strong, healthy, and vital.
May you experience love, joy, wonder and wisdom
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Do you really want to get over it?
by Markfromcali ini'm asking if people might take a moment to seriously consider this.
now by asking this question i don't mean to imply anything like "just get over it already" - i don't think it's so simple as that.
but it's occurred to me that the mental freedom is actually not as valuable to some people as other things, and we do know the jw experience does effect other things in one's life like relationships and livelihood, or one's ability in these kinds of life arenas.
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Ivy, by seriously considering the question you've already worked on it. You don't need to spend many years studying psychology to get over it. While it can be helpful, clearly some people who are otherwise psychologically savvy still have issues. It's not necessarily a matter of navigating a complex process.
I think if you really want to, then that is going to make the big difference. What I can tell you from experience is it's not just a matter of psychological work, because the content can still be there but it's as if the power source for it can get unplugged. Even if the same pattern is there when that happens you will see it just fades over time. But that doesn't happen if you are focused on attaining a normal life and ignore it, it's a matter of clearly seeing it being perpetuated and disconnecting that attachment.
And it is naturally to kind of go back and forth, because for one thing at certain points it may simply no longer interest you. You might get away from it for a while with daily life, and come back to it with certain insights or whatever. And above all, I would emphasize that it's not just a matter of resolving your JW past - because sometimes if you want the mental freedom and focus on that it just naturally takes care of this as a part of the bigger picture.
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Do you really want to get over it?
by Markfromcali ini'm asking if people might take a moment to seriously consider this.
now by asking this question i don't mean to imply anything like "just get over it already" - i don't think it's so simple as that.
but it's occurred to me that the mental freedom is actually not as valuable to some people as other things, and we do know the jw experience does effect other things in one's life like relationships and livelihood, or one's ability in these kinds of life arenas.
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I want say a little bit more about Tetra's point. I am clear that I am not my parents son, my siblings brother and so on. Those are relationships. I actually got over that a long time ago. Now that doesn't mean I don't have affection for people in my life, but it's not this overwhelming thing that I live off of. Other people may have their ideas about you, (like you'll always be your parents little boy/girl) but that doesn't have to determine what you are - even in your interaction with them. To be frank I think this is simply a matter of maturation.
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Do you really want to get over it?
by Markfromcali ini'm asking if people might take a moment to seriously consider this.
now by asking this question i don't mean to imply anything like "just get over it already" - i don't think it's so simple as that.
but it's occurred to me that the mental freedom is actually not as valuable to some people as other things, and we do know the jw experience does effect other things in one's life like relationships and livelihood, or one's ability in these kinds of life arenas.
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Hi Spark, I do not mean to imply the two are separate - but it is good to distinguish for the sake of clarity of intent. Obviously it depends on how far you take it too, and some of it just comes with time and it is no longer about the JW past anyway.
Tetra I hear where you're coming from. That is what I was getting at in another thread commenting on how one becomes enmeshed with friends and family. It becomes this sticky codependent thing rather than being clear, which can still be love - it's just not this kind of needy addictive attachment. And actually, that freedom allows you to feel and care more, you're not stuck in this little stale relationship pattern going nowhere, with people wanting you to be a certain way.
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Do you really want to get over it?
by Markfromcali ini'm asking if people might take a moment to seriously consider this.
now by asking this question i don't mean to imply anything like "just get over it already" - i don't think it's so simple as that.
but it's occurred to me that the mental freedom is actually not as valuable to some people as other things, and we do know the jw experience does effect other things in one's life like relationships and livelihood, or one's ability in these kinds of life arenas.
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Yes, but what do you want? I did say understanding ourselves, but ultimately that comes to being free from that baggage. You can go back and forth like that without coming to that point. Because on the other hand you can ignore it and just find good life experiences and never deal with it - maybe. (obviously there are some who cannot do this)
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BEWARE OF MONOTHEISM
by frankiespeakin intaken from, the intelligence agents by dr. timothy leary, ph.d:.
beware of monotheism monotheism is the primitive religion which centers human consciousness on hive authority.
there is one god and his name is (substitute hive-label).
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Markfromcali
The major evolutionary step is taken when the individual says: "There is only one God who creates the universe. This God is my Brain...
Does he talk about steps beyond this kind of stuff?