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  What is the most troubling or disturbing biblical passage you ever had to rationalise when a Jw?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  now that we have stepped away from the jw faith, how do you feel about the bible itself?.

  what about those awkward sections of scripture?

  how did you rationalise or justify those sections?.

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  Well Simon, if we're being fair, those babies had it coming.
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  What is the most troubling or disturbing biblical passage you ever had to rationalise when a Jw?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  now that we have stepped away from the jw faith, how do you feel about the bible itself?.

  what about those awkward sections of scripture?

  how did you rationalise or justify those sections?.

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  God killing the guy that reached up to steady the ark of the covenant from falling. WTF? I never got that one.
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  Census of the consensus

  by Normalfulla in

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  a worldly friend of mine i grew up with at school has at the ripe old age of 40 just posted an honest question on his fb page.. .

  "which religion or belief system is the truth?

  " be respectful please .

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  Interesting. I like the diversity of answers and that a vast minority pointed to Jesus. Lol @ that elder.
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  To big to fail

  by pepperheart in

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  2. bible

  some people think the watchtower is to big to fail.

  i dont because a lot of the branch offices around the world (about 70 i think) are in the third world they are not paying the full cost of running them and so the american branch is having to find the money,so if they got $1 billion dollars betwwen 70 branches that is only$ 25 million a year.per branch.if each branch has 500 people working there and they spend just $1 a day for food each person that works out at £35,000 just for the food alone .

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  I think there's a difference between failing financially and failing altogether. The corporation could disappear tomorrow and the indoctrinated masses could just go to the website without a building to go to and things would just go on. They go underground when persecuted, with no contact to the outside JW organization, and emerge later. They could blow all of their money, though that takes blunders of epic proportions and they're dumb enough to do it, but the message and doctrine doesn't need the corporate entity to keep on going.
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  Drop Off in Mentioning 1914

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  videos from the summer jw conventions ("be courageous) show the "urgency" about the end racheted up several notches.

  paranoia rules supreme!.

  curiously, though, very few, if any, statements in the convention program about 1914 and the overlapping generations.

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  @Steve2 - True, but they can get rid of 1919 just like they changed the definition of the words "generation", just like they stole the title of "faithful and discreet slave" to basically mean the governing body now. They can change anything they want. They've changed the meaning of dates before. We apostates can remind them of things, but they won't listen. 1975 anyone?

  In fact, I think that laying claim to be the FDS is key in getting rid of 1919. Don't look at this or that date, just look at us, we're the one dispensing food at the proper time, just listen to what we say. They don't need 1919 anymore, they just need to say that they're the FDS, establish that for long enough, and they don't need a date anymore. That's my opinion, anyway.

  Cool thread, by the way.
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  Drop Off in Mentioning 1914

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  videos from the summer jw conventions ("be courageous) show the "urgency" about the end racheted up several notches.

  paranoia rules supreme!.

  curiously, though, very few, if any, statements in the convention program about 1914 and the overlapping generations.

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  Oh, I've figured that they would abandon 1914 as generations that were taught that die off. I think a lot of this new JW look and feel, like this "Christian Life and Ministry" meeting and the CCJW designation is them trying to mainstream more as a general Christian religion with less doomsday cult. As doomsday never happens I think they'll just get away from the dates that place limits on things and go with more of a perpetual "it's coming" that keeps just enough pressure on people.
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  Spiritual "Protection" - a Menace on Psychological Development

  by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

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  2. beliefs

  not quite a week ago, @lost in the fog created a thread entitled: do you have this illness?.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5187824140681216/do-you-have-this-illness.

  in my year of being on this forum, i have browsed many a disillusioned thread of ex-jehovah’s witnesses expressing similar symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder when detailing their awakening - my own story included.

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  Wow wow wow, brilliantly stated! For once in my life I have nothing to add. I've never though of it quite from the angle of them "stealing our problems". I'd like this one a million times if I could.
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  Getting Married to a Non-JW

  by LaurenM in

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  so i just got engaged to my boyfriend of over a year.

  my jw parents still don't know about him.

  i'm currently faded, so they know i'm not a practicing jw, but i am baptized.

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  The likelihood of you hanging onto everything here is slim. You have to know that. Eventually you're going to have to face that the life they chose will come between you unless this is an extremely rare case.

  Your dad could lose his position as could your mom. A lot depends on the overall attitude of their elder body. You can't apply the same rules across the board. If he's influential enough he might skate by, or decide to set a "good example".

  We can't tell you anything for certain other than that at some point you will have to come out, be who you are, stand on your own two feet, and let them decide who they want to be and accept their decisions. You can't hide him or your fade forever. They get to decide how to react and you have to let them be then, and you need to be you. Let the chips fall where they may.

  I'm so sorry about that.

  On the other hand, you are free and congrats on the upcoming nuptials. Don't let them steal your joy. You're being prepared here for the likely inevitability.
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  Are we losing our way a bit at JWN?

  by nicolaou in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  firstly, i want to be crystal clear how grateful i am for jwn.

  it's been my place of support for over seventeen years and it's the first online space i direct anyone to if they are taking steps out of the cult.

  i am not bashing jwn - i love this place and appreciate the hard work and expense simon puts in to keep it going.

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  I agree that the dominance of the political stuff on here is off-putting. At least keep it in one thread or two threads but it seems like person after person starts a new thread to debate sometimes even the same topics.

  Now, I do think these things go in cycles and this is just the thing to talk about right now so it's dominating, but maybe some steps could be taken to minimize it's dominance over the forum by limiting the number of threads on a matter.

  This place was a life saver for me when I needed it. If I had come today as a still-in JW that was searching and came across all of the politics that I was never exposed to and that seemed to be my first feel of this place, I'd be gone. It would have scared me away, to be honest. That's nothing against those that discuss it or the topics themselves but it would have been too much, too fast, and I would have just looked and said that "those people are no happier than I am and are miserable in the world around them. Look how awful it must be."

  I don't think we should cater 100% to the JW out there that is looking around or even active and care what they all think, but it does seem like the place is taken over a bit lately with this political stuff that frankly is dividing us.

  What we need right now is a good JW governing body scandal like pillowgate or tight pants Tony rant, maybe an ARC or something, to bring us together and get off this mess of politics.

  Nice OP! I've been kind of feeling the same. If I want politics to dominate something I'll go to Facebook and get depressed there.
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  Has Your JW Background Benefited You In Any Way?

  by minimus in

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  i would like to think there was some good that resulted from our being a witness at one time..

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  No, other than what I've chosen to do with it to help other people.

  Most anything else I could conceivably attribute to it in a positive way exists without it. So I may have come across that anyway without them. Like public speaking, for example. Yes they gave me opportunity, but plenty of people outside the cult do well at it and plenty of people inside the cult do it regularly and suck at it.