Posts by anglise

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Ernest Ricketts ... DISFELLOWSHIPPED

by RR in

for those of you who know ... or know of ernie ricketts, he was disfellowshipped a weerk ago, a long time prominent jehovah's witness, who represented the watchtower in jersey city, he was the care taker of the stanley theater.

there are a few post in the archivs that make mention of him.

i knew him personally, from what i was able to gather, the society wanted to get rid of him, apparently as someone told me "he was too black for the society," so they found a 17 year old "sin" and used that to get rid of him.

anglise

Dont want to start an unsubstantiated rumour here

I might be wrong but wasnt there something a while back about the WTBTS selling the Stanley Theatre along with some other properties?

Anglise

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Witness sayings

by Teela in

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as i was growing up in the troof.

there were sayings used over and over again to control my behaviour.

the biblical on bad associations spoil useful habits and another on just because everyone else does it doesnt mean you have to do it to, would you jump off a cliff just because other people do what were the sayings that bugged you?

anglise

Mature christian

bible trained conscience

solid food

wholesome

just a few

Anglise

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Disagreements between elders

by Gadget in

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there seems to be a lot of local differences between what witnesses are allowed to do and what they aren't.

i'm in a situation where elders in one area are incouraging a course of action, and elders in another area are totally against it, saying it is a disfellowshipping offence.

anybody been in a situation where elders disagreed like this?

anglise

Hi gadget

I can remember a few years ago a sister being DF in a local cong when a number of other elders from adjoining congs disagreed. The case had spread due to the families being in several differant congs.

It eventually led to the CO being involved and he told the JC that they shouldnt have DF the sister. I seem to remember that the sister refused to acknowlege the reinstatement and for quite a long time the family drifted. Not sure what is happened in the end though.

Anglise

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Have you heard of Yuz Asaf? Interesting BBC prog

by anglise in

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having by chance watched this prog on bbc4 i have been doing some research into this story.. it is fascinating.

it presents information proving that jesus survived the crucifixion and then travelled to kashmir where he lived and preached to the lost tribes of israel.. i have never read any of this in the wt or any other church publications its all new to me.. has anyone else on the board done any research on this?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die.shtml.

anglise

Hi Yerusalyim

This I think would be the point to which the quote is referring

T HE G NOSTIC S OCIETY L IBRARY
Irenaeus: Against Heresies
BOOK II
5. They, however, that they may establish their false opinion regarding that which is written, "to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord," maintain that He preached for one year only, and then suffered in the twelfth month. [In speaking thus], they are forgetful to their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which is both more necessary and more honourable than any other; that more advanced age, I mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: "Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old,"(13) when He came to receive baptism); and, [according to these men,] He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years,(1) and that this extends onwards to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information.(2) And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. (3) Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these, or Ptolemaeus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle?

6. But, besides this, those very Jews who then disputed with the Lord Jesus Christ have most clearly indicated the same thing. For when the Lord said to them, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was glad," they answered Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?"(4) Now, such language is fittingly applied to one who has already passed the age of forty, without having as yet reached his fiftieth year, yet is not far from this latter period. But to one who is only thirty years old it would unquestionably be said, "Thou art not yet forty years old." For those who wished to convict Him of falsehood would certainly not extend the number of His years far beyond the age which they saw He had attained; but they mentioned a period near His

real age, whether they had truly ascertained this out of the entry in the public register, or simply made a conjecture from what they observed that He was above forty years old, and that He certainly was not one of only thirty years of age. For it is altogether unreasonable to suppose that they were mistaken by twenty years, when they wished to prove Him younger than the times of Abraham. For what they saw, that they also expressed; and He whom they beheld was not a mere phantasm, but an actual being(5) of flesh and blood. He did not then wont much of being fifty years old;(6) and, in accordance with that fact, they said to Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?" He did not therefore preach only for one year, nor did He suffer in the twelfth month of the year. For the period included between the thirtieth and the fiftieth year can never be regarded as one year, unless indeed, among their AEons, there be so long years assigned to those who sit in their ranks with Bythus in the Pleroma; of which beings Homer the poet, too, has spoken, doubtless being inspired by the Mother of their [system of] error:-- Oi de qeoi par Zhni kaqhmenoi hgorownto Xrusew en dapedw:(7)

which we may thus render into English:(8)--

"The gods sat round, while Jove presided o'er, And converse held upon the golden floor."
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Anglise

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Have you heard of Yuz Asaf? Interesting BBC prog

by anglise in

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friends

having by chance watched this prog on bbc4 i have been doing some research into this story.. it is fascinating.

it presents information proving that jesus survived the crucifixion and then travelled to kashmir where he lived and preached to the lost tribes of israel.. i have never read any of this in the wt or any other church publications its all new to me.. has anyone else on the board done any research on this?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die.shtml.

anglise

Hi Cityfan

was it the part where they spoke of the ascension only being dependably recorded in 1 gospel account and very briefly at that, the others being accepted as spurious and later additions?

I wish I had recorded it but I didnt know it was going to be so interesting.

Anglise

PS Chardonnay!! good thing it wasnt a rich red merlot lol

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Have you heard of Yuz Asaf? Interesting BBC prog

by anglise in

jw
friends

having by chance watched this prog on bbc4 i have been doing some research into this story.. it is fascinating.

it presents information proving that jesus survived the crucifixion and then travelled to kashmir where he lived and preached to the lost tribes of israel.. i have never read any of this in the wt or any other church publications its all new to me.. has anyone else on the board done any research on this?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die.shtml.

anglise

Hi Hamas

The BBCi site also contains an interview with the director of the programme.

it seems the account goes way back even to some of the books left out of the accepted bible canon such as Thomas.

http://www.hknet.org.nz/JesusLivedInIndia.html

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mark_mason/ch4ex2.htm

The second century Church Father Irenaeus wrote a celebrated book called Against Heresies, which was crucial in establishing church orthodoxy. In this book he claimed Jesus lived to be an old man, and remained in "Asia" with his disciple John, and others, up to the times of the Emperor Trajan, before finally dying. Trajan's reign began in 98 A.D., at which time Jesus would have been just over one hundred years old.[22] This is support, from a most unexpected quarter, for Kirsten's theory.

Anglise

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Who composed music to Tour De France on ITV ?!?!

by Hamas in

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does anybody know who composed that music on the tour de france on itv ?!?!

it's been driving me mad .

anglise

Hi Hamas

did some research on this but drew a blank

Anglise

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Have you heard of Yuz Asaf? Interesting BBC prog

by anglise in

jw
friends

having by chance watched this prog on bbc4 i have been doing some research into this story.. it is fascinating.

it presents information proving that jesus survived the crucifixion and then travelled to kashmir where he lived and preached to the lost tribes of israel.. i have never read any of this in the wt or any other church publications its all new to me.. has anyone else on the board done any research on this?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die.shtml.

anglise

Having by chance watched this prog on BBC4 I have been doing some research into this story.

It is fascinating. It presents information proving that Jesus survived the crucifixion and then travelled to Kashmir where he lived and preached to the lost tribes of Israel.

I have never read any of this in the WT or any other church publications its all new to me.

Has anyone else on the board done any research on this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die.shtml

Anglise

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JW and childabuse in Swedish tv, 24 july

by Nordic in

here is the link for the program : http://svt.se/svt/jsp/crosslink.jsp?d=4457.

its the 3 program in sweden, this year.

http://svt.se/svt/jsp/crosslink.jsp?d=4480&a=90072

anglise

Hi all

this site gave a partial translation. Maybe someone could improve on this

http://www.stars21.com/index.html

Årets most uppmärksammade , Thursday 24 a hiding Reportrarna Janne Josefsson and Lars - Was making Swede had had a packed house up wonder året as gone. Their coverage from valstugorna Oskarshamn and if assault within Jehovas Witness ledde to debate in media as was lasting in month behind that coverage sänts. Wes do a abstract.

Anglise

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Who really writes the talks

by anglise in

hallo everyone.

the earlier thread about the min school reminded me of the number of times that i researched and at least partly put together items and pub talks for 'he must be obeyed'.. this was necessary because he worked full time in a demanding job which left very little leeway for cobbling the many assignments together.

at first being a good dub wife i felt guilty at doing this but in talking to others whose husbands also worked full time and were not part time cleaners or window cleaners i found that several other elders wives had always done this.. not only the talks but also sorting out the school assigments, the schedules, field service arrangements, sorting the auditing, coach and accomodation for the dc and ca, checking the accounts etc.. lots of these sisters also helped their children put together their items.. rather makes a mockery of the male privilege of "taking the lead".. most elders and ms are unable to cope with all the pressures and work if their wives dont do most for them.

anglise

Hallo and thankyou to all who have responded.

It is really interesting to see what happens behind the scenes.

"The irony is that while career pursits are condemned as materialistic, those with the charisma and confidence that results from a profession are first in line for priveledges."

Yes Peaceful Pete

One particualer individual comes to mind with your above statement.

He had worked as "something in the city" in banking and had climbed the corporate ladder. He was a very arrogant and self opinioned person and had also amassed a very large amount of money.

Following early retirement he came into the org (I think his wife was already in at this time) and with his personna quickly pushed his way up to elder and then PO with many items on the CA and DA and of course with his money and very nice house etc was able to entertain the CO's and DO's in a way that the window cleaning elders couldnt.

Due to his city background he could deliver a very polished talk but he left a lot of unhappy bro and sis in his trail.He hadnt got any one to one rapport when you spoke to him.

I would assume he is still heading his way further up and was hoping for CO status at least.

Any who attended Hayesbridge or Brighton/Crystal Palace will have heard him.

Anglise