Posts by cyber-sista

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THE BLAME GAME--need help with this

by cyber-sista in

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just commented on recent topic titled: who do you blame for the time you wasted as a dub?

this questions got my brain tweaking in some different directions.

some who i admire and respect the opinions of said that they no longer blame anyone and that blaming is a waste of energy.

cyber-sista

Just commented on recent topic titled: WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR THE TIME YOU WASTED AS A DUB?

This questions got my brain tweaking in some different directions. Some who I admire and respect the opinions of said that they no longer blame anyone and that blaming is a waste of energy. In some senses I can understand that, but that is not how I FEEL right now. Maybe you all can help me to get my perspective on this one--I am still processing a lot of anger towards the Org. and would like to get past it, but I am rather new at this. Here are the 2 posts I put out on the subject in response to above question:

#1 I blame the guys at the top of the Org. They are the ones putting out all the rules and regulations for the members to follow. They are bloodguilty as hell for misleading and confusing so many who are being lead by them. It is not always a personal choice to be a JW if you are born and bred into the cult (brainwashed) or if you come into it during a weak point in your life (my case) and are manipulated and then used by them because of your vunerability at the time.

(Sorry I am going through an "angry at the Org" processing phase at the moment).

#2 Still thinking about this one. Some of you blamed and some of you felt as if blaming was not the thing to do. Being rather new here and still sorting I am still wondering how do you get past the blame? I still feel like blaming as I stated in my above post. I just can't get past that right now. I feel like a victim and in some of the posts people blamed themselves. Is this not like a person who has been abused or molested as a child who is made to feel as if they are the ones to blame? I feel abused and molested (mentally, spiritually, emotionally) by the WT society--therefore I feel like a victim and I blame the perpetuators of my abuse. It is hard for me to sort this one out. Maybe I don't know what the true meaning of blame is. Do we blame cruel dictators for their inhumanities--or do we say there is no one to blame? Try telling that to a concentration camp survivor. Extreme example, I know. But how do you get your head around this one? I am just asking because I truthfully don't know.

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Who do you blame for the time you wasted as a DUB?

by Thunder Rider in

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think of all the time and energy you wasted sitting in meetings, going door to door and refraining from making friends and having enjoyable association with non dubs.

think about how much of your finite life is lost to you because you were a witness.

think about how foolish you looked, hanging on to the false teachings and empty hopes for the future.

cyber-sista

Still thinking about this one. Some of you blamed and some of you felt as if blame was not the thing to do. Being rather new here and still sorting, so how do you get past the blame? I still feel like blaming as I stated in my above post. I just can't get past that right now. I feel like a victim and in some of the posts people blamed themselves. Is this not like a person who has been abused or molested as a child who is made to feel as if they are the ones to blame. I feel abused and molested (mentally, spiritually, emotionally) by the WT society--therefore I feel like a victim and I blame the perpetuators of my abuse. It is hard for me to sort this one out. Maybe I don't know what the true meaning of blame is. Do we blame cruel dictators for their inhumanities--or do we say there is no one to blame? Try telling that to a concentration camp survivor. Extreme example, I know. But how do you get your head around this one? I am just asking because I don't know

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Jehovah does NOT Communicate with the Watchtower Society!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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the watchtower, august 1, 2002 issue, pages 14 and 22:

the watchtower, june 15, 1957 issue, page 370: .

the watchtower, june 1, 1955 issue, page 333: .

cyber-sista

I swear when last I studied they kept insisting that the organization was jehovahs chariot, like in Ezekiel and how jehovah was directing the chariot using his son jesus christ as mediator and the FDS. They even had pictures of the chariot on the back of the publications .

Yes, I remember that chariot too and the emphasis given was how we had to keep running to keep up with the chariot as it was Jehovah's spirit directed org and the way we were to keep up with that chariot was by bible study, field service, meeting attendance and all the rest. So we were warned not to fall behind and be left in the dust--we needed to keep pace with the chariot..and on and on--seems like they had a whole assembly about it--probably dragged the subject on for hours and hours....

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Jehovah does NOT Communicate with the Watchtower Society!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

the watchtower, august 1, 2002 issue, pages 14 and 22:

the watchtower, june 15, 1957 issue, page 370: .

the watchtower, june 1, 1955 issue, page 333: .

cyber-sista

UNDISFELLOWSHIPPED--good job on this. Another great example of the whole double speak/think WT twisted reasoning. I am going to save this info--may be able to use it somewhere sometime.

Thank you,

cybs

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"Fluff can be a good thing"

by codeblue in

as i sit here reading new and old posts, catching up since my surgery, i began to think about this thought: "fluff can be a good thing".. .

i speak from experience: raised as a jw and conforming to all those studies of books that i never wanted to study but had too, i am feeling a little burnt out from such studies.. .

i guess because i have recently done research to confirm the "truth" isn't the truth as i learned it as a young girl, i am very turned off to any doctrinal study....now this could change later...but for now, i am very happy with light hearted posts...and always the newbies or any experiences people have had because of being a jw or anyone who has an interesting experience in life.. .

cyber-sista

I LUFF FLUFF....

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Who do you blame for the time you wasted as a DUB?

by Thunder Rider in

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friends

think of all the time and energy you wasted sitting in meetings, going door to door and refraining from making friends and having enjoyable association with non dubs.

think about how much of your finite life is lost to you because you were a witness.

think about how foolish you looked, hanging on to the false teachings and empty hopes for the future.

cyber-sista

I blame the guys at the top of the Org. They are the ones putting out all the rules and regulations for the members to follow. They are bloodguilty as hell for misleading and confusing so many who are being lead by them. It is not always a personal choice to be a JW if you are born and bred into the cult (brainwashed) or if you come into it during a weak point in your life (my case) and are manipulated and then used by them because of your vunerability at the time.

(Sorry I am going through an "angry at the Org" processing phase at the moment).

cybs

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Why Did You Leave "The Truth"?

by Corvin in

lurkers come in and out of this forum.

some lurkers suddenly have bouts of righteous indignation and become trolls that lash out at some of the subject matter posted here by x-jw's.

they accuse many of "leaving jehovah" for fleshly desires.

cyber-sista

Why do birds fly?

Why do fish swim?

Why does the sun shine?

It's too hard to write about it--I saw and felt too much pain...

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Harmful or Dangerous?

by Sunspot in

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in view of the recent ban in russia, and the statement that the government feels that the wts is considered harmful and dangerous, my thoughts are these;

i think that anyone or anything that purposely tampers with the very fabric of people's families, is dangerous, but that's just the way i see it.

maybe this sounds extreme, but then the watchtower society is extreme, and too, i speak from personal experience.. .

cyber-sista

People can have one drink, or a few - same with cigarettes - and they don't have to make their children drink and smoke either - it's harmful and illegal.
Jwism requires the addiction level, and includes children also - And, it is actually a mandated requirement that you hurt other people, selling it from door to door as you're able. What a stink. It's harmful to families and a decent society - dangerous to idiots and those that are misfortunate enough encounter them.

Well spoken. It is not also dangerous to idiots though--or to rephrase "people who are easily decieved". Some very intellegent people are maniputated by this cult. The brainwashing tecniques used are very effective--this is what is so disturbing to me.

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Second question: If you weren't roped into this religion by your parents...

by 2good2bad in

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would you have chosen this faith on your own?

is it too hard to live righteously?

do you really bel i eve it's a cult?

cyber-sista

Would you have chosen this faith on your own? Why not?

I did chose this faith on my own, but at a very low point in my life. During this time I was pressured greatly to join the Org and was promised many things that never panned out. I was lied to by the ones who studied with me as they didn't tell me the whole truth about everything. I was also taught to lie to others to bring them into the Org by lying to them too (thank goodness I wasn't very good at it and didn't bring anyone in during by 20 year duration). Remember when we were told not to give out too much info all at once because we might "flounder" some? Much of the knowledge is hidden from you until after you get baptized. I studied for 3 years before I was baptized (this is not a good thing in the eyes of the Org) they want to get you in and baptized by six months. My husband was not interested. I was told by the JWs that our marriage was santified through me. I understood that this meant my husband was in too. It was some time later that I found out that what was really taught was that he was considered to be pond scum because of not becoming a believer and that he would also be destroyed at the big "A". I was not told this beforehand--I truly believe it was hidden from me.. Thre were many other things I eventually found out doing my captivity in the Org...these were not good things and I could not be in denial any longer.

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Have any of you tried...

by codeblue in

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"sleepy time tea" to help you get to sleep?.

codeblue

cyber-sista

I have tried Melatonin too...but after a while I have the freakiest dreams...or should I say: nightmares

Me too Codeblue. In fact a lot of people have very vivid and sometimes disturbing dreams on melatonin. Mine were in total color and very realistic. Talked to others who had the same...Actually an old cure is turkey broth. Turkey has a lot of natural triptophan in it. Cook up a big batch and freeze it in ice cube trays and drink it before hot before bed. Milk has triptophan in it too, but not as much as turkey.