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Have you had this happen to you?

by Andyman in

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as a jw i remember being told that we never really did enough.

it didn't matter how hard you tried, it just never seemed like we did enough for the "congregation" or the "society.. i remember all the talks about what would happen if you left the "oganization".

how your life would be miserable, you would be like the dog returning to your own vomit, etc.. how long does this last?

Andyman

Thanks for the response Path;

Yes you are right, the "implants" are deep!

I think the hardes thing for her is that fact that her brothers are both still deep into the JW belief system. As elders they have nothing to worry about. They do pretty much as they wish, even if it isn't ver "christian"!

I really don't know how to handle the problem since we live in a small community. It is hard to find anyone who has been where we have, and left the organization. We are a rare breed around here. Those who have left and walked away are no longer around. Those who have doubts are afraid to voice them. They have seen what happens when they do. I am hoping that what my wife is going through is just a minor set back and that it will go away someday, at least I pray everyday that this is the case.

I am trying to get her to go online to talk with others who have been through what we are going through, but I don't know when it will happen.

I guess the big cure all is time, but it can get very frustrating in the mean time.

Thanks again for your response.

Andyman:

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Have you had this happen to you?

by Andyman in

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as a jw i remember being told that we never really did enough.

it didn't matter how hard you tried, it just never seemed like we did enough for the "congregation" or the "society.. i remember all the talks about what would happen if you left the "oganization".

how your life would be miserable, you would be like the dog returning to your own vomit, etc.. how long does this last?

Andyman

As a JW I remember being told that we never really did enough. It was always "you can do more, more, more. It didn't matter how hard you tried, it just never seemed like we did enough for the "congregation" or the "society.

I remember all the talks about what would happen if you left the "oganization". How your life would be miserable, you would be like the dog returning to your own vomit, etc.

How long does this last? It doens't seem to bother me any longer, but my wife has a very hard time with this. Every time things start to get better it is like a little voice inside her tells her "NO, NO, this can't be, you can't get better because the society told you for over 15 years you would be miserable"! Has this happened to anyone else?

My wife is the most loving person on earth, at least I think so. She wouldn't hurt a fly, and when all here so called "friends" dumped on her it really hurt. This was the only family she had for years. They told her that, they made sure that she stayed away from "worldly" relatives, and only associated with JW's. Her own fleshly brothers kept here away from her fleshly family. They told her what to do and who to associate with. Since they were elders she followed and did what they told her.

Now after over 3 years not going to meetings, she still doesn't trust anyone in the world. She wants to make friends, but when the time comes where she might be able to make a new friend, she somehow finds a reason to avoid it. She hates what the society did to her, but can't get the brainwashing out of her mind. For me it only took a couple of years to get the whole society out of my system. For her it is like she is punishing herself for leaving. She knows the society has lied to us, tried to run our lives, etc., but it is like since they told her how miserable she would be, she makes sure that that is going to happen.

Has, or is anyone out there gone or is going through this kind of a thing? It is hard for me to talk with her because of being her husband, and she doesn't trust anyone else to talk to them.

I would appreciate any help you may be able to give.

Thanks.

Andyman:

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Moment of Truth/ Cognitive Dissonance

by Zep in

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so how long have all you guyz here been apostates anyway, just curious?.i mean, it must be kind of cool to reflect and think...."well, heck, i'm a damned freaking apostate" or altleast a closet apostate, of which most of you are, i think?, right?.yeah, such a cool label is "apostate" huh!.but i'm interested, just how did all here personnally come to realise 'the truth' aint really that?, what set you on that track and made you look outside the bounds of wt literature into so-called apostate areas.. and what finally convinced you that its all just a heap of nonsense?

and forced you to shockingly conclude you had been living a lie?.what did it do to you at that moment, i mean, how did you deal with this blatant self admission that the wt was wrong?

did it crack you up or what...or did you just laugh it off or something?..

Andyman

I have to go along with Waiting and RedhorseWoman here.

Holding things back or inside is not the way to overcome the dissapointment and anger that many feel. It needs to be gotten out, not held in.

Like Wainting said, to many times I was told to "think of the society", well I think now that it is time that we think about ourselves.

Like RedhorseWoman said, when they make claims to be God's only true channel they had better be making a good example for the rank and file to follow.

The double standards within the congregation and the society as a whole is not Christian. When elders and their families, MS and their families can get away with things simply because they are who they are, there is a problem.

Covering things up, pretending they aren't happening, isn't going to help us or anyone else in the congregation. The organization, from the congregation level all the way to the top, has got big problems. We are told NOT to talk about these things, let the elders take care of it. Well when the elders and there failies are the problems how can thing ever get taken care of? When letters are wrote to the society to ask for help, and it all gets sent back to the local level, how can things change?

I sat on the fence for a long time going by their rules. I kept my mouth shut, I ignored what was going on, I was a goo JW, or so they said. When I could take it no longer, when I couldn't stand to see others being shafted because they weren't in the clique, when I finally went to the C.O., I was the one who got marked as "bad association". Not the trouble makers, not the P.O.'s wife who was the "clique" leader and was treating people like dirt gossiping and telling lies about those she didn't like, no she still controls things. Now why is that?

The society has been pointing out the problems in "chistendom" for years. Now when the their problems are being exposed I don't think we should simply be quite and sit back and hold things in. No, I think it is time that the reall "truth" was brought out. Isn't that what they tell us to do?

<font color=red>"1974 “Consequently, is it unchristian today to offer Bible-based comments about anothers religion? The scriptural answer must be No. True, criticism that reveals faults in the teachings or practices of someone’s religion might at first seem severe. Yet, how should one react? Not like those who became violently enraged over Stephen’s criticism. Rather, note the fine reaction of some Athenians who heard Paul’s comments. They accepted the Bible truth and became believers, to their eternal benefit. Compare Acts17:11, 12. Far from being rejected as unchristian then, criticism based on Gods word should be carefully considered, for it can bring real benefits”. (Awake! Nov. 22, 1974, p.28)"

</font>Take care.

Andyman:

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Blood = Organ Transplant Awake! '99

by waiting in

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this was posted by jang at another forum, she had not seen it before either.. has this been questioned, talked about, etc?

i've not heard anything on it...... but then that's sometimes the case with me..

awake aug 22 1999 page 31 states: .

Andyman

I remember having a discussion about it on another board last year.

At the time I wondered it if was another way of slipping in something, blood transfusions being a organ transplant, in order to sooner or later do away with the current policy on blood transfusions.

This along with the new policy that you automaticaly DA yourself by taking a transfusion seems to be leading to something.

I really think that in 5 years or so the transufsion policy will be done away with and getting one will simply be a "conscience" issue.

Of course they need to "wean" the rank and file on this so as to avoid any legal problems that might arise.

This is just my opinion on the matter.

Take care.

Andyman:

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Jehovah or Jahwe??

by mgm in

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is it important to call god by his right name?.

if so, jehovahs witness should change to jahwes witness.

it is no doubt among scientist anymore, that jahwe is the right form of gods name.

Andyman

The society always makes a big deal about them being the "only" ones who used the right name. Of course even they admit that their version wasn't the most widely used:

"*** it-2 7 Jehovah ***
Hebrew scholars generally favor “Yahweh” as the most likely pronunciation. They point out that the abbreviated form of the name is Yah (Jah in the Latinized form), as at Psalm 89:8 and in the expression Ha·lelu-Yah' (meaning “Praise Jah, you people!”)."

Once again it just seems like the society has to be different than anyone else. Using the name "Jehovah" helps them with this attitude.

Take care.

Andyman:

Edited by - Andyman on 22 August 2000 17:24:0

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Since I don't know a lot of you...

by Tishie in

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would anyone mind doing one of those famous internet introduction sessions?.

since i completely and thoroughly filled out my profile, i think you all know enough about me :) and if you are bad, bad people, you might even know my history with the jws.

but, i'll give you the run-down, since i'm asking.. my real name is teresa (tishie being a nickname from my husband [tish, actually], which i adapted for the 'net about 5 or 6 years ago because i didn't like running into other teresas... eh, rf?)..

Andyman

Hi Tishie;

We met briefly over at the C.A.R.M board a few days ago.

Been out for about 5 years now, my wife about 3 or so. We stopped going to meetings when the hypocrisy and double standards got to much to bear. We went to the C.O. about the problems, got told pretty much that "we" needed to re-adjust our thinking. The elders, especially the P.O. and his wife, took it very personal and we were the target of their "revenge". We stopped going to meetings and haven't went back. Not DA'd, not DF'd.

I am up there with Waiting as one of the "older" ones here at 49, at least I will be 49 next Wednesday. Have a great wife, two kids, a daughter 8 and a son 6.

Not really a fence sitter since eveyone in this small town, JW's that is, know we don't go to the meetings. Even live next door to two elders, it makes their life miserable to see us every day!

Take care.

Andyman:

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Check out this link!

by Andyman in

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i was over at the freeminds site and found this article.

it really got me because i used to go to the tacoma dome for conventions.. [url] http://www.watchtowernews.org/tacomapark.htm[/url].

take care.. andyman:

Andyman

Hi Simon;

He is the brother in the article that had his own "Crisis of Conscience" and exposed the Tacoma Dome parking thing.

I believe he was a high ranking offical over on the Washington Coast in the Seattel, Tacoma area.

The article stated that he had been getting information online.

Take care.

Andyman:

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Check out this link!

by Andyman in

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i was over at the freeminds site and found this article.

it really got me because i used to go to the tacoma dome for conventions.. [url] http://www.watchtowernews.org/tacomapark.htm[/url].

take care.. andyman:

Andyman

Hi Waiting;

I agree with what you posted, getting a parking "ticket" means "buying" it, not "contributing"!

I also remember those "last day" talks about the expenses, and don't forget to "donate". Would have been a little more honest if the would have sid, "hey by the way, we made an extra $120,000.00 on parking this weekend"!

And they claim to be "no part of the world"! Sounds like a pretty good "wordly" scam to me!

By the way go for the cookies, they are "great", and wishing someone a "merry Christmas" really feels good, go for it!!!!!

Take care.

Andyman:

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Check out this link!

by Andyman in

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friends

i was over at the freeminds site and found this article.

it really got me because i used to go to the tacoma dome for conventions.. [url] http://www.watchtowernews.org/tacomapark.htm[/url].

take care.. andyman:

Andyman

I was over at the freeminds site and found this article. It really got me because I used to go to the Tacoma Dome for conventions.

[url] http://www.watchtowernews.org/tacomapark.htm[/url]

Take care.

Andyman:

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MISSIONARY

by BigQuestion in

.. edited by - bigquestion on 10 august 2000 5:37:51

Andyman

Your right there Red;

Sex and JW's don't go together. Is't the societies policy that sex is just for making new converts?

All you have to do is go to a meeting and check out those "happy" faces to see just how exciting their home life really is.

But hey, like Red said, you will be to bussy going to those five meetings a week, 2 on Sunday, 1 for the books study, and 2 more during the school night. And don't forget you have to study on Saturday, after a good long day of field service, and then study again for the other two days, which leaves you one day to sit back and think, "what the hell am I doing"!

So if you really want some good advice, think REAL hard before you take the "plunge"!

Take care.

Andyman: