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  TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN THE UNITED STATES

  by Kent in

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  the watchtower society on documenting personal views.

  christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses.

  2821 route 22, patterson, ny 12563-2237 .

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  Thanks Kent: I appreciare having the scan of this letter. It is obvious to me that the GB is trying to distant themselvbes from being directly responsible for this junk. But, it won't work. - Amazing
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  WHY THE DOLLAR IS DOOMED

  by You Know in

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  jesus pointed out the hypocrisy of those in his day whose faithlessness led them to become intransigent in the face of jesus' credentials as the messiah and all that that entailed as to jehovah's judgments.

  likewise, the prophets indicate that ridiculers and apostates will proclaim themselves to be unconvinced concerning the evidence of christ presence and impending judgment of this system.

  jesus' rebuke is equally applicable today, where he acknowledged that his generation was expert in using their powers of reason to interpret the changing clouds and winds to accurately predict the next day's weather, and yet jesus said of them: "hypocrites!

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  Hey You Know: My Prophet, Dr. Ravi Batra is smarter than your Con-Artist Profit La Roach. My Prophet predicted the BIG crash in 1987, and he was two years early. But, your Prophets, like the GB (Gumby Buds) NEVER get anything right. - Amazing
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  Do elders have Bible Studies?

  by slipnslidemaster in

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  in my experience, i have never seen an elder in the congregations that i was associated with bring (or have for that matter) a bible study to the kingdom hall.. now i think that i already know the reason for that, but it seems that the majority of the bible studies are done by the poor sister pioneers.. is this the case in the hall you went to?.

  slipnslidemaster: doin' the humpty hump...just doin' the humpty hump...

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  Hiu Slip...: Yes, Elders do have Studies, most with their own families if they have children. I had studies when I was an Elder, and that was one way I was able to s-t-r-e-t-c-h my field service time ... just have a study that is sociable, and you can stay for coffee, pizza, and TV, and COUNT the time too! All in all, I brought 15 people into the Org. and now I have to help take 30 back out to pay my debt back to GAWD!. - Amazing
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  You Know, what a clown

  by Cygnus in

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  i see you know is back.

  i haven't been keeping up with the boards in some time, but i see that robert is still here, trying to support his rather unique blend of larouche/rutherfordian end-time predictions.. well, i happened across the thread between yk and amazing, and i noticed that yk once again had his facts in error.

  he said that larouche got 25% of the democratic primary vote in arkansas in 2000. i assume he meant 2000, because larouche wasn't close to 25% in 1996. well, the fact is that larouche only got 21.53% of the primary vote in arkansas in 2000. is that such a big number so as to make larouche a real, viable candidate?

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  Hey Cygnus: Great to see you back. And I appreciate your nailing YK. He really brunt hisself with this LaRoach (er, I mean LaRouche) thing, and clearly discredited himself. Thanks again. - Amazing
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  escapefromwatchtower.com site

  by sf in

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  hi peeps,.

  i can't believe i've not happened upon this site before:> .

  http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/.

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  Hi Skalley: Thanks for this site. I went there and found it to be good. I saved it to my favorite places. Also, while I am not a 'featured' writer or contributer, if you go to Freeminds.org directly or through the site you gave us you will find an article I wrote about helping your children out of the organization and to think for themselves. It is under the sunburst bullets called, "Letting your kids make their own decision". The actual title when you click on it is, How I helped my Family Leave Jehovah's WItnesses." I guess that is fits in with the theme of escaping the Watchtower religion. Thanks again. - Amazing
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  Society on Documenting Personal Views

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  question: does the watchtower society want individual witnesses expressing personal viewpoints about vital religious issues to persons whose intent is to record and document the findings?

  the following letter written under the new letterhead from the societys service department documents the answer to this question.

  christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses.

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  Hi Marvin: Would you please find a way to scan a copy of the WTS letter you transcribed for us. Either onto a new post, or by email to one of the main posters you know well. I would love to have an actual copy if at all possible. It is very important. Thanks.

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  WHY YOU KNOW IS DUPED!

  by Amazing in

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  in you know's post on 'why the world is doomed', he cites a web site in response to why he does not need a job.

  it is a lindon larouch site that focuses on economic and political conspiracy theories.

  larouch is a big con artists who finally went to jail for bank fraud.

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  You Know: NONE of your posts have ever driven me to hysterics other than hysterical laughter at times. DENIAL, you say. No, I recognize that the economy goes up and down as it has and will continue to. Has economic downturn and serious depression affected us on a global scale? YES! The Great Depression in the 1930s is the glaring example. Reading JW literature from that era reveals lots of You Know types running around. Then, WWII right after the Great Depression!, What more could a typical JW ask for? BUT, things changed. WHY? FALSE Prophecy!!!

  It is you kiddo, that is in DENIAL BIG TIME!!! And if you read my post on Prophets of Gloom & Doom you will see how I address all that, and conclude that I don't give a rip if it all collaspes or not or whether your Gawd of the Watch Tower is involved or not, as it does not make any difference, because I cannot control any of it anyway.

  BTW you comment about debt being used to stimulate the economy it incorrect. It is liquid captial deposited and invested in the USA. It is not debt based. Why do foreign investors place their money here, expecially with lower rates of return? Hedge against inflation and security.

  Lowered taxes will not only stimulate the economy, but as history has shown that reduced taxes also increses revenue as the economy rebounds.

  Your flip about currency trading last year is still in error. Why? You do not understand margins, and that even though the trade face appears enourmous, the actual cash flows and currency movement is low compared to hard asset, commodity, wholesale, and retail trades.

  UNemployment is still low, products are still being manufactured, the planet still revolves around the sun, and I still ate breakfast this morning, and lunch this afternoon. So, the fact that some traders on Wall Street kicked the crap kicked out of them is just business as usual.

  But You KNow Whines about HIGH Gasoline Prices as evidence that Amazing is in denial!!! Oil is in a correction you idiot. There is a reason for economic ratios. In 1970, I could buy gas at 20 to 25 cents a gallon, and a house cost $20,000 to $25,000. Now gas has reached an average of $2.00 a gallon, or 10 times its value in 30 years, and guess what? Houses average aboout $200,000 or about 10 times value in 30 years.

  The OPEC nations are not idiots. They see inflation for what it is, and starting with Nixon taking us off of the Gold standard in 1970, the Arabs raised prices and at times cut production which has the same effect. If OPEC were really greedy, they would raise prices FASTER than inflation. As it is, they let the USA and Europe coast for a while on low prices to keep our economies strong, and then when they think its time, they zap us with price changes.

  SO WHAT! But Oh No, You KNow says the sky is falling, the sky is falling, as he runs in hysteria to report Doom and Gloom to ex-JWs because his own silly-ass religion will not listen to his wild-eyed predictions ... why? Because as stupid and idiotic as the WTS is, EVEN THEY no better than to listen to a Disciple of LaRouche!

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  PROPHETS OF GLOOM & DOOM!!!

  by Amazing in

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  prophets of gloom & doom!!!

  i trust that this is worth your reading.

  in 1985 a book was published called, the great depression of 1990 with the sub-banner, has it already started coming true?.

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  PROPHETS OF GLOOM & DOOM!!!

  I trust that this is worth your reading. In 1985 a book was published called, The Great Depression of 1990 with the sub-banner, Has it already started coming true?. The book was written by a respected and noted historian and Wall Street financial expert, Dr. Ravi Batra. The front and back covers had glowing reviews by various published experts from such places as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the brokerage firm of Morgan Stanley. The book was republished in 1987, and cited other similar financial books by Dr. Batra.

  Dr. Batra did a great job crafting his work, laying out the history of socio-economics in the first half as the premise on which in the second half he discusses our then current economic woes just ahead. His charts of the pre-1929 crash matched to a “Tee” the developments up to 1987. He was so certain of his predictions that he sold all his hard assets and became totally liquid. This added a certain credibility to his work for him to follow his own advice and stake his career and reputation on his own projections!

  He recommended everyone get themselves debt free and hold a minimum of $11,000 in cash. He based this on the deflationary effects of the dollar in 1929 - 1936 when you could buy a whole breakfast for 10 cents, and a cup of coffee for a penny. A person with $11,000 cash would appear like a millionaire as the markets crashed. In October 1987, the Stock Market crashed 2 years ahead of Dr. Batra’s schedule. And it was the greatest single crash in its history. The 1929 crash was about a 10% drop, but the 1987 crash was 20%.

  My View at the Time: I read Dr. Batra’s book with great intrigue. It seem to match my own beliefs at the time that we were headed for Armageddon. I was not able at the time to liquefy my assets, but that mattered not, because we would soon be in Jehovah’s Kingdom (aka New System) and I would be a co-ruler in Heaven - in the economics department of course. The Watch Tower Society in 1985 picked up on the political changes brewing in the former Soviet Union and started a round of speculation about Peace & Security. I was pretty excited! as were many JWs at the time.

  Prophets vs Profits: One difference between Dr. Batra and other Prophets of Gloom & Doom, is that he was somewhat modest in that he allowed for the fact that any number of political moves and changes could throw off his predictions. But he was most certain that by the early 1990s it would be inevitable that a major Depression would happen. He felt that the political climate would never allow for the proper decisions to be made that would head off a major depression. And we were due for a big huge collapse! But, he, like other Prophets, also made Profits on the sales of their books and literature ... and that, is THE bottom line!

  1991 Arrives! By this time I had also read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz. I was not so certain about any predictions as I had been before. But, I kind of clung to the WTS as a hedge against being wrong anyway. Then in August 1991, Soviet President Gorbachev and US President Bush jointly announced Peace & Security! This was exciting! I felt that maybe Dr. Batra might be correct, and just a little off in his predictions. I carried the theme of Peace & Security into a discussion with a religious fellow (non-JW) and his remarks shook me to the ground. He unintentionally exposed my JW views as totally fraudulent. It was a turning point. My
  faith in the Watch Tower religion was shattered.

  My Next Moves! While I was no long certain about any Watch Tower predictions, I still felt that the national and world economy might collapse. I paid cash for my house, sold off other assets, and became liquid and debt free! I was in line with Dr. Batra’s recommendations. I figured that being liquid and debt free would not hurt, and I was right about that. But, I was ridiculed by JWs for being in good financial shape. They saw this a succumbing to Satan's greed.

  By late 1991 I was reading Ray Franz’s second book In Search of Christian Freedom and coming to realize that there was no hope in anything to do with the Watch Tower religion. I staged my family’s exit starting in January 1992, and after I gave my last Memorial Talk in April 1992, I resigned and walked away in May 1992. But, I still felt that it would be even more prudent to take some extra measures to shield myself economically, and did so.

  Time Passes: Then 1992 ended, and 1993 rolled around. Nothing yet, other than Bill Clinton was President. The nuclear plant I worked at closed, and I moved to another nuclear plant. The economy was in a mild recession. So, I wondered about Dr. Batra’s predictions, and felt that with a Tax and Spend Liberal in the Oval Office, Dr. Batra’s analysis may be right after-all, and his predictons would be soon realized.

  1994 passes and in early 1995, the Conservative Republicans take over both houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years. Rush Limbaugh is having political orgasm on his national TV and Radio programs (incidently, I enjoy Rush - he has some good points). And before long, the economy picks up, the stock market booms, and all the woes and gloom seem to fade away.

  What Happened?: Neither Clinton or the Republicans did all that much. Yes, the Republicans rolled back a lot of taxes and stopped many of the excessive Clinton spending plans. But what really happened is that High Tech companies, the Internet, and mostly foreign investment made our country liquid capital rich.

  By this time I had changed careers from engineering to real estate and the financial markets. The Pacific Rim nations were in trouble and so they were dumping massive capital into American banks to hedge against inflation. Interest rates dropped like a rock as the Fed lowered their rates. High Tech was soaring, and life was beautiful. This trend continued until about August 2000.

  What Changed?: High Tech hit a peak, as it has in the past before rebounding and much the same as other industries have before their rebounds. Foreign capital started moving out again as the Pacific Rim nations have rebounded. But, things have slowed as they will do from time to time. Nevertheless, we still have 30 lows in mortgage interest rates, the Fed Rate is at its lowest in years, and we have just been given a major tax reduction by the Conservatives. All this will add stimulus to the economy. And as High Tech and other industries rebound, things will likely improve greatly.

  But, what IF?: What if the tax reduction does not help, and/or we lose more foreign capital, and/or the Fed rate goes back up, and/or some other major and unforeseen economic development happens that causes a major Depression? My comment is SO WHAT! Will not this prove that the Watch Tower Society was right afterall and Armageddon is right around the corner again?

  In 1972 the economy went down when President Nixon took the USA off of the Gold Standard. Arabs oil nations reacted with major price hikes, and gasoline went from 30 cents a gallon to over 50 cents a gallon. We went into a recession, nad my JW mentor was nodding his head at me that this lined up with Armageddon being due by 1975! And I bought into this crap lock, stock, and barrel!!!

  Will this not prove that You Know’s Lyndon LaRouche is correct? Will this not show that Dr. Ravi Batra was right on target, even though just 10 few years off? NO, NO, NO!!! It shows that men make guesses, some proclaim tham as Prophets, and others see them as mere calculated or maybe educated guesses. What the economy does is more a function of some predictable and much unpredictable dynamics that take place. NONE OF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GAWD!!

  What if Armageddon Does Come?: Again, I suggest, SO WHAT! We can’t do anything about what God may or may not do in his Divine Intervention. God is not bound by our national or planetary economic cycles or what the Prophets of Doom & Gloom say. If God brings Armageddon tomorrow, it will have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything going on among humans, but it will have everything to do with what God has in mind, and we all will be so scared shitless, that I doubt we will give a rats ass about You Know, Lynden La Rouche, Dr. Batra, H20, Watch Tower Society, me or anything else. We will all be worried about whether we survive. (JWs, in my estimation, will be the most worried, because they have been trained to worry the most.)

  The Bigger Question is - What if Armageddon Does NOT come:? I am far more concerned about my short life and the fact that there may never be any Divine Intervention. If all the predictions of Doom & Gloom never come true, then this brings into question our whole concept of God, the Bible, and where we really fit into the grand universal scheme of things. And if the atheists are correct in there being no super being or God as we like to say, then it is going to cause even more problems amongst people than ever before. Why? Because much of the world is religious if you add the 2 Billion Christians and the 2.5 Billion Moslems together, you have about 75% of the world believing in GAWD!

  What of the Prophets of Gloom & Doom?: Their predictions are pointless! If the economy goes down according to some lucky or even educated guess, SO WHAT! There were people who predicted that the Japanese would attack the USA. They were right! And the USA was bombed anyway. World War II was already happening in Europe, and was merely extended to the Pacific Rim. It was going to happen anyway. If the USA would have acted to pre-empt or thwart the Japanese Fleet, and say sink their Carriers and Destroyers out in the Pacific, the Japanese Empire would have declared war and fought the USA anyway.

  The really dangerous Prophets of Gloom & Doom are those that do two serious things: 1) They obligate people to follow them either emotinally nad/or finacially (e.g. the Watch Tower) and 2)
  they back-fit their predictions to account for serious errors and make their predictions match up with what history really proved to be. La Rouche followers point to the 1987 Market Crash and declare how accurate they were (but they leave out the glaring fact the their real prediction of Gloom & Doom did not happen.) The Watchtower points back to 1914 and how accurate they were, but leave out the glaring fact that what they predicted for 1914 NEVER happened! That is called back-fitting your predictions to match history. To my knowledge Dr. Batra did not back-fit his theories to fit what happened. As far as I know, he slipped off into oblivion, as he should, and this at least means that he was not of the dangerous variety of false prophets.

  WHAT of JWs and people like You Know and ApostleAK, and other who get caught up in conspiracy theories, and believe in Prophets of Gloom & Doom? They waste their time and short lives, and often money, in chasing after such ideas. They waste precious moments that could have been better spent with loved ones, and they waste emotional energy, and sadly waste whatever real talents they do have that could have been used for far nobler purposes.

  They fail to learn the lessons of history and of millions who have left the Watch Tower religion and religions like it, and that is, JWs and groups like them are followers men, and men-pleasers. They fail to understand the value of thinking for themselves because they have been ripped off by con artists using fear of the devil and fear of Gawd to get them to stop thinking! Everytime I have listened to anything that Prophets said that caused me to stop my individual thinking, I ALWAYS lost, both time and money to what were really Profits of Gloom!

  So, You Prophets of Gloom and Doom, beware, we have taken our minds back away from you! And in the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., we are "FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, OH THANK GOD! WE ARE FREE AT LAST!" - Amazing
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  WHY YOU KNOW IS DUPED!

  by Amazing in

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  in you know's post on 'why the world is doomed', he cites a web site in response to why he does not need a job.

  it is a lindon larouch site that focuses on economic and political conspiracy theories.

  larouch is a big con artists who finally went to jail for bank fraud.

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  Hi Larc: Thank you for a sound and well stated response to You Know. Your point about the 1987 Correction (not a crash) is an excellent illustration of what happens when people (like the Rutherford, LaRouche, Bhagwan, You Know types) embellish history for their own purposes. Also, a side note, the 1987 Correction was also about the auto-eletronic controls that were in place for sell-off. Prior to this people had to place buy-sell orders by phone. But, with the "Auto" sell when the market dropped to a certain predetermined point, it caused a major unintended and unwanted sell off. The SEC, NYSE and other exchanges corrected this with sell / trading limits. The exchanges learned a lesson in High-Tech. This all brings me to another prophet of doom that I will post about. Thanks again. - Amazing
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  WHY YOU KNOW IS DUPED!

  by Amazing in

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  in you know's post on 'why the world is doomed', he cites a web site in response to why he does not need a job.

  it is a lindon larouch site that focuses on economic and political conspiracy theories.

  larouch is a big con artists who finally went to jail for bank fraud.

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  You Know: I am not really concerned if LaROuche happened to get some small one right. Kind of like the way the WTS claims that they got 1914 right, when all they did was chnage the prediction to fit the facts after the fact.

  But, the economy is doing fine. A routine slowdown that is more of a soft landing. The housing market is great, the commercial market is great, and interest rates are below 30 year averages by about 1 point, which is awesome.

  And even IF we have some major shake-down, it happens from time to time as part of the normal economic cycle. You and I sparred over this last year, and you gloom and doom have not happened on any major scale.

  In fact, you are the one who has made repeated predictions and all failed, and you still cling to your whore religion. But, back to your big bubba, La ROuche, he was making these inane predictions in the mid 1970s and early 1980s, mid 1980s and so on. If the man lives another 20 years and keeps making gloom and doom predictions, it will eventually correspond with one of the normal down cycles, and he will proclaim his accuracy, and You KNow will be kissing his feet in worship, and telling me how stupid and dumb I am. But, the folly is in following man, which you do. Whereas truth seekers follow facts, evidence, and look to no man, but only to God. You worship men and their organizations, whereas true Christians worship God and look to a far greater city, a far greater reward than serving La ROuche and the GB. - Amazing