Peace to you!
You totally missed my point
Perhaps, but if so it was not due to your writing: you write just fine!. So, let's try again, shall we?
My point was the "way" animals were sacrificed "was" (sic) as I mentioned.
Yes, I got that. And my point was that my Lord was not sacrificed in the "way" animals were... for a reason. Maybe it was me who wasn't very clear...
If Jesus were to have been sacrificed the way Jehovah had the animals sacrificed it would have been as I described it; his throat slit and then his body burned on the altar by his disciples, i.e. his followers.
Yes. IF...
This way although gruesome, it would have been far better than the treatment and way of death he got.
YES!!! It would have been FAR more merciful!! Yes??! That was the point, dear Tor... that my Lord wasn't even afforded the mercy shown mere beasts... by his fellow humans and "spiritual" brothers (or so they would have labeled themselves). THAT's... the point!
Yes, I agree it would have been FAR more merciful! And HOW is God full of mercy again. I see NO mercy in the way it was carried out. The most merciful way would have been for Jesus followers to have slit his throat and burned his body on the alter and you yourself admitted that we could NOT do this. How can God is a better question?
The proper way to do it had we lived back then was for you and I, if we were James and John, was to do the deed as I described; slit his throat and burn his body on the altar as a sacrifice for our sins. I dont believe I could have done that, could you???
Of COURSE not! And that is the very reason WHY the disciples weren't called TO do it. It was done... from start to finish (meaning, including his trumped up trial)... by those who WOULD commit an unmerciful act, even on a fellow human being... even on the Son of God.
God had him tortured and maimed by people who didnt even believe in him,
NO! God... did NOT have him tortured and maimed! God... let him be handed OVER to a tortuous and maimful people in that He didn't interfere. God knew what was in the heart of mankind, just as Socrates knew what was in the heart of those who sentenced/executed him. They could AT ANY TIME... have said, "Uh-uh, no, not me... I ain't gonna have NO parts in this... it's wrong... totally wrong... evil." But did they? Nope. They actually got some kind of sick joy out of it... vowing that they even wanted the RESPONSIBILITY for it to come upon their own children. (Shaking head...)
does Gods way seem more reasonable?
To let a blood thirsty group of hypocrites commit such a heinous and unmerciful act against His one Son... for the sake of His others... and all... including those who committed the act? I have to say, dear Toreador... if that's what it TOOK... then yes... the "way"... was reasonable.
Yet this is what God exacted from him.
Okay, here is where I must expound to you the way of the Truth "more accurately:" the price was not exacted by God - it was exacted... by Death! Death... was/is the one who is never satisfied! Adam made a deal... on behalf of ALL of his offspring... and sold HIS soul... and theirs... TO Death. God... out of LOVE.. paid the ONLY "price" Death would accept: His only-begotten Son. GOD... did not hold mankind ransom; DEATH did. And God.. PAID the ransom... with the sacrifice of His Son. And Death THOUGHT he would have that Son... forever. But God did NOT leave him to Death... but gave him the "keys" to the REALM of Death... so that it could not hold him. Thus, although Death, through his high priest, the one called Satan and Devil, thought he'd cheated God, GOD... by means of HIS High Priest, my Lord and Master, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... cheated Death! So that by means of him, not only does Death not have a hold on THAT One... but not on any who BELONG to that One.
You speak of death as if it was a living breathing entity that has to satisfied. That doesnt make a lick of sense to me. According to you God was the one who set the price. God is the one who set the price. You admitted neither you nor I could have killed Jesus yet that is what God did in effect. He set the price and he is the one who allowed it to be carried through to the extent that he did. If GOd were as all powerfull as you believe him to be and if I were God I dont believe I could allow such a heinous act to be carried out against an innocent man. It is unthinkable.
Please do not let your mind and heart be misled by the FALSE propoganda of "religion"... particularly the WTBTS. They haven't a CLUE as to what took place regarding this matter, before the founding of the world... or after.
I find it hard to reconcile a God who would do such a thing.
Well, of course, if your mind and heart are clearly convinced that that is what took place. And that is the vocation of the Adversary: to sent false prophets and false christs into the earth... to TEACH you such melarkey... so as to mislead, if possible... EVEN THE CHOSEN ONES.
This is the same God who wanted the killing and sacrificing of millions of animals up to that point as well to atone for the original sin they did not commit.
The wage... or price... of sin... is death. God... MERCIFULLY... allowed animals to be substituted for human life in that regard. The animals, who also serve JAH... are even higher than us in this regard because, like my Lord... they go silently... and most often... willingly. Why? Because unlike US... but like my LORD... THEY know that this life is not all there is. THEIR minds are not simply on the things of the earth. God saves man... AND beast.
How is that a merciful thing to allow to pay for something they had no part in? To say that animals go willingly to the slaughter is ridiculous. Have you ever been to a slaughter house where they slaughter beef. I dont think so! They know damn well what is going to happen to them and they are terrified!!
How can you make such a statement that animals know "this life is not all there is"? Do you also talk to animals? I never seen a gazelle or another animal that willingly offered himself/herself to a lion because he wanted to get to the next life.
If Satan had little satans did someone have to die as a ransom for the sins their father/satan made as well so they could be reconciled to God?
Satan has "little" satans, for the children of the Devil are manifest in he that hates his brother. Satan's blood, however, cannot atone for the sins of his children, as HIS blood... has no value. His "children" then, need only turn to the One whose blood CAN atone for their sins... and be reconciled. It's not hard... and it's not rocket science. It's merely a matter of turning away from what is bad... hatred for one's brother and neighbor... to good... LOVE for one's brother and neighbor... and enemy.
Here again you misunderstood what I wrote. I said would "someone" (not satan as he was the one that sinned) have to die for satans children in order for them to not have to die (perhaps another perfect angel)? I never spoke of satans "blood" either as I would assume he would have none. I was merely trying in my inadept way to say in order for it to match Adam sin and Jesus atoning for it, there would in "God's way of doing things" exact a perfect spirit creature to die for Satans children for them to have a chance.
BTW I am not shouting at you, I just don't know the proper procedure to keep yours and my comments separate after the initial dialougue while still keeping both our comments intact.
Peace to you Shelby,
Toreador
