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  Suggestions?

  by Billygoat in

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  okay...i have a 19 year old brother that was born and raised jw.

  he's currently a regular pioneer that is 'hanging out' with a sister that has a worldly reputation.

  he hasn't gotten into trouble about it yet, but i anticipate it happening soon.

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  AlanF

  That's a rough one, Billygoat (BTW, why that handle?). You certainly don't want to screw up your relationship with your parents, or with your brother, so you have to be very careful. To avoid the moniker of "apostate" you have to avoid saying anything overtly against the Watchtower organization. You don't have to be nearly as careful saying anything negative about the Bible, God or individuals within "Jehovah's organization". They will "understand" that you're now a worldly person and will likely make allowances. But if they get the faintest whiff that you know something about the JW organization that you can't get from the newspaper or from regular WTS publications, they'll smell "apostate" and likely shun you.

  The best approach, I think, is to be alert for situations with your brother where you can talk a bit about things that, if he investigated, would cause him to come up short and spark curiosity about why JWs believe what they believe. What you say depends entirely on his and your background and interests. If you have an interest in science, that's an excellent way to go, since the WTS teaches a lot of nonsense with respect to it.

  LDH's suggestions are excellent. Beyond what we've said so far, I think we'd need more detailed personal info in order to make more specific suggestions. What are your and your brother's areas of interest, so so forth?

  AlanF
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  Some of them want to abuse you...

  by Suzis Ghost in

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  http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html#wwp.

  http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/.

  http://www.loc.gov/copyright/reports/studies/dmca/dmca_study.html.

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  AlanF

  Hey, Chuck. No hard feelings. I'm glad something was learned.

  What's that website URL for you two?

  AlanF
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  Alleged Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus

  by JanH in

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  most exjws are familiar with the claims that the gospel accounts about jesus "fulfills" around 300 prophecies in the old testament.

  this claim is taken verbatim from christian fundamentalists.

  checking out these so-called prophecies will reveal that they do not stand up to scrutiny.

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  Nice exposition, Jan. I wasn't aware of how badly Matthew had screwed up there.

  A great many of the so-called Messianic prophecies, when carefully examined in their original context, are easily seen not to be such at all. They clearly refer to the immediate future of whoever wrote the passages. A good but little-known book that goes into this in detail is The Historical Approach to the Bible by Howard Teeple. It's out of print, unfortunately, but can sometimes be found via online booksearch.

  A particularly good example of a claimed Messianic prophecy that, when carefully examined, proves the opposite of what is claimed, is Isaiah 53. About a third of the things that the chapter claims would happen to the subject were not fulfilled at all, as can be seen by reading the Gospel accounts. For example, 53:3 says (NIV), "He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him." Yet the Gospel accounts describe Jesus as having large crowds gather around him to hear him speak, and John 12 describes him as coming into Jerusalem to a large crowd that proclaimed him king of Israel. If the fulfillment of prophecy is demonstrated by looking at actual events, then Isaiah 53 doesn't hold up. So in this case the Bible, quite in contrast to the claims of Biblical Inerrantists, is internally inconsistent.

  Another third of Isaiah 53 refers to things that are meaninglessly general, and the final third to things that are either a real stretch, and/or can be verified only through the Gospel accounts.

  The supposed predictions in Isaiah 53 are like if I predicted that a blond-haired man two meters tall, weighing 250 kg. , would show up at your doorstep. Thirty years later a man two meters tall, weighing 100 kg., shows up. Did my prediction come true?

  Of course some defenders like Mishnah will find any number of ways to get around the facts. But that's exactly what flat-earthers and JWs do.

  AlanF
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  sister says prayer with elders !!!!!

  by jurs in

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  this friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.

  i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.

  i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.

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  AlanF

  Jehovah's Witness literature is like cow dung, why does it smell so bad?, why am I recommended not to taste it? I have the right to taste it if I want to, you reason. Mmmmmm, cow dung is so good, Witnesses say. But reality it's only crap.

  AlanHumbleF
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  Pedophile JC Analysis

  by Amazing in

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  the title to this post sounds impressive, but i am not going to do to much here that is too technical, except to draw attention to the general scope of jw justice, and the shear battlefield of religious victims.

  i will evaluate just the usa statistics.

  many of my numbers are estimates, but i have reason to believe that they are generally representative of reality.. there are about 1,000,000 jws in the usa, in about 7,000 congregations.

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  Humble Pie lied:

  : Your insults shows proof of why Jehovah cleansed the organization of you.

  As is normal with JWs, you have it backwards. I cleansed myself of the organization by quitting. I am neither DF'd nor DA'd. Since your organization teaches that DF'ing is merely an earthly reflection of what has already been decided in heaven, then by your own teaching I am not disapproved by God, even though I've done things that would get most JWs DF'd.

  All of which goes to show that no God has anything to do with your sick organization or with sickos like you.

  Good Lord! You haven't even the integrity to respond to questions you yourself pose. You're disgusting.

  AlanF
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  Pedophile JC Analysis

  by Amazing in

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  the title to this post sounds impressive, but i am not going to do to much here that is too technical, except to draw attention to the general scope of jw justice, and the shear battlefield of religious victims.

  i will evaluate just the usa statistics.

  many of my numbers are estimates, but i have reason to believe that they are generally representative of reality.. there are about 1,000,000 jws in the usa, in about 7,000 congregations.

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  AlanF

  Humble Pie said:

  : The injustices that you describe all happened around you, so you might be the problem.

  That's a pretty typical assholian excuse from a pretty typical assholian JW defender. And I don't mean "asshole" in a good sense.

  No rational argument, no actual mention of cause-effect relationships -- just the stereotypical JW smearing by implication. That works well with your fellow JWs because they're braindead, too. It doesn't work with people whose minds have been freed from the shackles of the Watchtower-induced mind prison.

  AlanF
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  Bethel Getting Paranoid, Tightening Screws

  by AlanF in

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  i have it from solid sources that brooklyn and patterson are now recording all incoming telephone calls.. a word to the wise if you have friends there you talk to.. alanf

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  AlanF

  ianao, the phone number in Brooklyn is 718-560-5000.

  AlanF
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  Tertullian & June 15/00 WT on Blood

  by hawkaw in

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  in two paragraphs in the june 15/00 wt qfr on blood, tertullian is quoted a few times in the 5th and 6th paragraphs on page 29.

  ( http://www.jwfiles.com/blood-wt6-15-00.htm.

  i have been trying to find the exact quotes from tertullian.

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  AlanF

  Excellent points, hawkaw!

  Do have complete quotes from Eusebius and one showing the full context of the Biblis story? Also, a detailed explanation of why the reference to the Eusebius quote is a lie, and why the WTS's use of the Biblis story is a misrepresentation?

  AlanF
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  Rules To Live By- George Carlin

  by riz in

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  hey everyone,.

  i know there are some fellow george carlin fans in the crowd.

  rules to live by:.

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  AlanF

  Pretty funny stuff.

  When I first went to Switzerland three years ago and was learning a bit of French, from time to time I'd overhear someone say something that sounded like "bad problem". Like one time a customer was talking to a desk clerk at a hotel and said it, and I got the impression that there was trouble somewhere. Eventually I learned enough French to realize that people were saying, "pas de probleme", which when slurred in the usual way sounds like the opposite of what it really means -- "no problem".

  AlanF
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  Bethel Getting Paranoid, Tightening Screws

  by AlanF in

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  i have it from solid sources that brooklyn and patterson are now recording all incoming telephone calls.. a word to the wise if you have friends there you talk to.. alanf

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  AlanF

  I have it from solid sources that Brooklyn and Patterson are now recording all incoming telephone calls.

  A word to the wise if you have friends there you talk to.

  AlanF