Its not just a JW phenomenon but the religion does not help any. There was an article in NewsWeek (?) or similiar a few years ago. It stated that there were a few different causes keeping adult children home longer.
darkuncle29
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How many JWs do you know that have "Failure to Launch" Syndrome
by BBOARD intired of the hypocrisy's post got me thinking ... how many jw "kids" over the age when they should have left home still live with their parents.
i say this because i have many of those in my congregation.
fyi it looks real bad to be a older man (ie 25 and up) scrub laying up at home unless you have a outstanding circumstance i.e.
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Jehovah's Witnesses more likely to be swindled by quack medicine and conmen
by B_Deserter inwe all know how every congregation has that elders wife who takes it upon herself to be the hall's resident doctor quinn: medicine woman.
they are constantly pushing herbal supplements and natural medicines at the very least, and at times even getting a little "spiritistic" with some of the crazier quack devices out there.
do i think they're stupid?
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Do you feel that Western Medicine is the only valid healing modality?
Where the medicine comes from is not the point. What makes medicine valid is testing done by independent research.
I thought if the patient gets better the medicine is verified? That's the point right? I'm sure we can find other work for lab techs, but figureing out why a thing works is usefull.
You cannot just take the personal anecdotes of one or even a dozen people and consider the matter to be closed. Time and time gain, anecdotal evidence has proven to be extremely unreliable. Bottom line, we cannot trust human perception to accurately relay the healing effects of any medicine.
That's why Vulcans make better scientists. I agree that anecdotes do not give concrete answers, but I also think that they should be investigated, and if found to have merit further looked into.
Heck, we give people sugar pills and they get better from sheer will. What you call Western Medicine I call Scientific Medicine. So, in short, yes, I believe Scientific Medicine is the only valid healing modality. Why do I believe this? Because there is supporting evidence that is peer-reviewed. It is the only medicine that can be verified independently that it works.
The placebo effect. Does science completly understand that? Forget about understanding it, how about just harnessing it. And it can't solve all problems: If you're in a wreck and get a rebar stuck through your skull and you're still alive, the placebo effect is not what your paramedics are going to need to beef up on.
I teased you about using Vulcans for scientists, but seriously, human being is all we have for the time being. And that is why the peer-review is not infallable. The past hundred years has many examples of scientists who were poopooed by their peers, only to be vindicated later. There is no medal for that, no apology, no amends for having their careers ruined.
I am not saying we should discard the scientific method, just that we should humble ourselves a little.
Do you think that it is possible for some so called alternative healing practices to actually have some merit?
I not only believe it's possible, I believe it's inevitable. But, you cannot convince me that any one specific treatment works from testimonials alone, only from independent peer-reviewed study. I won't say a certain treatment doesn't work without any real testing done on it, but that doesn't mean that it works, either.
Which ones?
What about the naturally-occurring substances that have already been proven by modern medicine to be legitimate? Aspirin and Penicillin are among the oldest, most well-documented "natural" medicines available. In fact, you'll be surprised to know that most medicine is made from naturally-occurring ingredients.
Oops-oh well formatting blip. You can't put a patent on herbal tea, but you can put a patent on synthesized components that you could isolate from herbal tea. Most if not all healing plants have one or two components of interest and many other bio products that can funtion as buffers or boosters. What happens if when you isolate the main component from its source, that you loose potency due to loss of synergystic effect? Well then that component would seem to be not effective or less effective. it makes the science and business easier, but the whole point is to make people better, not to make a business or thesis paper.
My beef with the natural medicine crowd is that they fall into a trap of faulty logic and bogus claims. They can't explain how their "cures" work, just that they do, and when they make the attempt to explain how, it's always based on faulty assumptions and assertions about the human body that are just...plain...wrong. Take for example, Kevin Trudeau's assertion that if a body is "acid" it will develop cancer but if the body is "alkaline" it can't. First off, that's demonstratably wrong. Second, just what part of the body is he talking about? The blood? The tissues? The lymph nodes? Trudeau and many other so-called "natural healers" have an extremely oversimplistic view of the body. Their theories, every single one I've seen are, again, just...plain...wrong.
Surprise. This is where I 100% agree with you. Some of these people have as much misguided faith as...well...you know. KT is just a sheister pushing his version of sheist. FWIW, I think the Blood is the one that the pH is about. The CO2 in our blood balances with the Na+, K+ and Ca++, along with many others. Its like a buffer solution, but a nightmare to do the math on. I think healthy blood has a pH of around 7.6-7.65...something like that. To be considered acidic, it would only have to change to <7.0, but even a change to 7.3-7.4 would be bad I think. If you have a friend who is a nurse you could ask them the blood pH thing. There's no argument here. I just have personal issues with Dr.s, I was once severly overmedicated and passed around like a guinea pig. My health suffered and so did I. Going through massage school introduced me to alot of quaks too. Some mean well, others are deliberate sheisters, and they all take people's money. Personally I think that combining
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Book - Parenting Beyond Belief: On raising caring ethical children without
by kwintestal inbook - parenting beyond belief: on raising caring ethical children without religion.. i just wanted to point out this book to other jwdr's.
i just finished reading it last week and i thought it would be good to post on here, not only for atheist or secular parents, but also those in "religious limbo" for example those who have just left a religion and don't want to join another and don't necessarily know what or how to explain things to their kids.. it is comprised of a series of essays by various intellectuals and covers various subjects such as religious tolerance and education, encouraging your children to think and explore their thoughts, holidays and how to handle them, how to explain the "big questions" and ways to seek community.. personally, i think that the book kind of pushes universal unitarianism in several points throughout.
it's subtle pushing but it's there none-the-less, but other then that it's actually put together very well.
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Thanks for posting this. My mom is now raising my nephew and he's attending a private christian school. My mom is in a weird place at the moment, she's not a JW but very much a bible believer. My nephew loves South Park, but realistically that's not the best medium for learning things.
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Raising children without a religion - thoughts, advice?
by atpeace inalmost ready to take the plunge, but have held back for years because of topic.
husband and i have not been active for many years and no longer consider ourselves jw's.
we also have no desire to be part of an organized religion.
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Lonlysheep:
Darkuncle--we can make up experiences. They don't need religions or religious books to read of any.
I only give and will give my kids real life experiences of myself and others who have told me of their experiences.
I'm not trying to make an arguement, just trying to be clear. When you say "make up experiences" I'm assuming you mean to go do things with them, as opposed to makin it up like a story?
I don't think they need religious books, but I think controlled exposure and discusion of said books may be a good idea.
As for experience-lived or told-I think lived is preferable. My grandfather can tell me his WWII stories, and we can discuss them with other people who were in Vietnam or Iraq. But for me- a non vet- I can never truly know what it was like. I could visit the battlefiels later when the blood is gone but some debris remains, and I will still miss the real feel of it, but it would be closer to me than just a story of it.
I am not saying that you shouldn't tell you kids stories or experiences, as that is better than nothing. But the detailed things the thoughts feelings sensations and what's ans why's are more dificult to transmit. Not impossible, just takes somone who knows what their doing.
I believe in honest open comunication with kids, about all things and all ages, just keeping it at a level they can process and not go into TMI.
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Jehovah's Witnesses more likely to be swindled by quack medicine and conmen
by B_Deserter inwe all know how every congregation has that elders wife who takes it upon herself to be the hall's resident doctor quinn: medicine woman.
they are constantly pushing herbal supplements and natural medicines at the very least, and at times even getting a little "spiritistic" with some of the crazier quack devices out there.
do i think they're stupid?
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darkuncle29
To a degree, I agree with your points.
However, I have to ask:
Do you feel that Western Medicine is the only valid healing modality?
Do you think that it is possible for some so called alternative healing practices to actually have some merit? Which ones? Do you have personal experience with any of these?
I do believe there are some quaky false pratitioners out there and some crazy backwards methods.
I also have experience with recieving Acupuncture and TCM-Tradidtional Chinese Medicine. Works pretty damn good. But there are some things that I would only want "modern western medicine" to deal with. And there are some things that I will ONLY see an acupunturist for.
I also have experience with being over medicated on exspensive marginally effective chemicals. My ex-bro in law is a drug rep, I think the way drugs are marketed is disgusting, its all smoozing and politics. I also have been told by a physician that I don't have a problem because he couldn't find one. Arrogant?
I believe that western medicine has its place, but that that place is compromised when the purpose of the business is no longer healing but maintaining the bottom line and keeping investors happy.
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Raising children without a religion - thoughts, advice?
by atpeace inalmost ready to take the plunge, but have held back for years because of topic.
husband and i have not been active for many years and no longer consider ourselves jw's.
we also have no desire to be part of an organized religion.
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So for you parents who have gone through a round of religion, and are now out of that, how do you 'inoculate' your children re religion?
We could tell them our stories and teach them the good qualitites that we want them to have, but the experience of it, how do you give them a feel for that?
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Evolution is a religious teaching
by lrkr ini kid you not.
page 16 of 1/1/08 wt.
"although evolution is usually presented in scientific language, it is really a religious doctrine.".
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darkuncle29
"Facts" are percieved and interpreted by humans, and most of us are not perfect. If we are imperfect, then any work that comes out of us also has the potential to be flawed, or a better word choice- incomplete.
Has there ever been mistakes made with regarding the interpretation of scientific facts?
Facts stand on their own, they do not depend on us for their existence, often what we call facts are just our current perception of what we can observe or conceptualize.
I wish that people who argue for any belief-religious or scientific or political-could just have an ounce of humility and acknowledge "There's a chance I could be wrong." or be able to say "I don't know."
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Gifts for a divorced person...
by TJ - iAmCleared2Land ini've heard "divorce showers" are the newest "support system" for girlfriends with their buddies... my wife and i found this funny site last night.
they make a cd with parodies of popular songs, but done for divorcees.. you can hear clips of the songs, but the best part is the full lyrics are available off the main page.
check it out, funny stuff!.
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darkuncle29
A Blow up Sheep Doll. Or a gift basket with an assortment of lotions & gels.
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Evolution is a religious teaching
by lrkr ini kid you not.
page 16 of 1/1/08 wt.
"although evolution is usually presented in scientific language, it is really a religious doctrine.".
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darkuncle29
I think that ANY idea that is touted as the ONLY way or ONLY truth has become LIKE a religion.
Including the above statement.
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What inspired your avatar and your screen name?
by Princess Daisy Boo intell me the story behind the picture.... why is mr flipper mr flipper?
how much do you look like zappa, jk666?
and gopher - are you really a little old man?
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Faundy, your pic is cute.
Brinjen-
so I was given an Aboriginal name also. It means "water lillies".
So Brin, your aboriginee name is "Lotus". That's kinda hot and all Bhuddist-y.
My Avatar is a cowboy because when I was little I dressed cowboy. I didn't have shoes until the third grade, up till then I wore cowboy boots and western shirts. The last time I was shped right to dress cowboy --and have it look good-- I was 21 and just had lost weight from having my jaws wired shut for a few weeks. That was done to correct orthodontic issues.
Plus I just think cowboys are sexy. So are boxers/boxer briefs.
My name, is the character in a SciFI/Fantasy series by Terry Brooks. The Dark Uncle, Walker Boh. I like him.