Posts by OrphanCrow

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Blood doctrine question

by AuntBee in

when witnesses go on and on about bloodless medicine, they often imply that this will work in all situations.

do they really believe this, because it's what the society has led them to believe?

are they just trying to divert their own mind, from the reality of blood deaths, that still happen?

OrphanCrow

AuntBee: I like this topic when trying to plant seeds with JWs, as i have opportunity.

I have asked JWs if they believe that Jesus shed his blood so all can live. And they invariably say "yes". And then I ask them "if Jesus gave his blood, why don't you?" They usually splutter and pull out some kind of nonsense about blood beening sacred and then try to find a bibble verse.

If they were really interested in saving lives they would donate blood instead of trying to convert people to their noblood phobia.

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Blood doctrine question

by AuntBee in

when witnesses go on and on about bloodless medicine, they often imply that this will work in all situations.

do they really believe this, because it's what the society has led them to believe?

are they just trying to divert their own mind, from the reality of blood deaths, that still happen?

OrphanCrow

AuntBee, one of the seminal textbooks on "Blood Management" was co-authored by a JW doctor from Germany:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6214938441809920/basics-blood-management-dr-petra-seeber-dr-aryeh-shander-inaccuracies-myth

*I never did finish the critique I started on that texbook

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Blood doctrine question

by AuntBee in

when witnesses go on and on about bloodless medicine, they often imply that this will work in all situations.

do they really believe this, because it's what the society has led them to believe?

are they just trying to divert their own mind, from the reality of blood deaths, that still happen?

OrphanCrow

AuntBee: bloodless medicine hospitals...the receptionist that answered - to me, totally seemed like a JW...

There aren't really "bloodless medicine hospitals". There are "bloodless centres" that are basically admin centers attached to hospitals. At one time all of these bloodless centres were founded and staffed by JWs and most still are.

The bloodless industry consists of JWs and their medical cronies. It is mostly based on ideology rather than good science, regardless of it's somewhat spurious claims.

Bloodless surgery relies on blood transfusion technology and blood fractions. There are limitations to the practice and to the type of patient that qualifies for it.

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Blood doctrine question

by AuntBee in

when witnesses go on and on about bloodless medicine, they often imply that this will work in all situations.

do they really believe this, because it's what the society has led them to believe?

are they just trying to divert their own mind, from the reality of blood deaths, that still happen?

OrphanCrow

AuntBee, the JWs are sorely misinformed about blood transfusions and so-called "bloodless"alternatives. This link reveals how the WTS/org has presented erroneous information to the r&f:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Blood_Transfusions:_How_Safe

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Something I had never thought about re: the Borg's nonprofit status

by dubstepped in

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i am actually looking into the possibility of starting my own nonprofit for ex-jws with specific goals and i've learned more about the process.

i was interviewing someone for the podcast that is familiar with nonprofits and she told me something that i had never considered.

maybe everyone else has but i don't remember seeing anything about it here.

OrphanCrow

Volunteer hours are important to nonprofits when the nonprofit is applying for grants. Most granting agencies require proof of volunteers in order to qualify.

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Oh Brother, another reason for pompous JWs to file a lawsuit

by ShirleyW in

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i guess some of you have heard that a woman that worked at a hotel and was forced to work on sunday's has now filed suit and won some major moolah.

so, how long before the pompous dubs who work on mtg night will follow suit and collect big bucks, i honestly think that a few have tried this before, but now that this woman and her bogus religion almost as crazy as dubs got a shitload of money, there will be many more lawsuits to come from a certain cult that either knock-knock on your door every weekend or sit in a subway station and just sit there and gossip about the other folks in the cong or steady dial up stuff on their phones..

OrphanCrow

Shirley, the JWs have already "wrote the book" on how to sue for exactly the reason that your OP is about

Three pages of court cases:

http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/NewsReports/2011.html

And more employment court cases here:

http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/

The JWs must be one of the most litigious groups there is. They set the precedent.

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Paying Legal Fees Illegally?

by Charles Gillette in

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paying legal fees out of the world wide work fund is it legal to do it?

first we need to know what the purpose is for having a www fund.. i'm not computer savvy or an "it" when it comes to putting information together to show here like so many others here can.. will someone explain how the watchtower society can legally use the www fund to pay out monies, legal fees and court directed payments to the one who have been sexually abused by pedophiles from the watchtower organization.. again what is the sole purpose in establishing the www fund?.

is it not for kingdom interest world wide and not to use it to pay out their guilty criminal activity.

OrphanCrow

Charles, it is a time of disaster for the org. And yes, the funds come from the r&F's ice cream money.

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Paying Legal Fees Illegally?

by Charles Gillette in

jw
friends

paying legal fees out of the world wide work fund is it legal to do it?

first we need to know what the purpose is for having a www fund.. i'm not computer savvy or an "it" when it comes to putting information together to show here like so many others here can.. will someone explain how the watchtower society can legally use the www fund to pay out monies, legal fees and court directed payments to the one who have been sexually abused by pedophiles from the watchtower organization.. again what is the sole purpose in establishing the www fund?.

is it not for kingdom interest world wide and not to use it to pay out their guilty criminal activity.

OrphanCrow

"Our donations are also used to provide emergency relief aid to fellow believers in times of disaster"

I guess that is where the court expenses and child abuse payments are justified.

A time of disaster.

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Manipulative language

by Hendrixgrip in

someone recently included the phrase from a talk, “cherished errors”, which made me think about something i wanted to get off my chest.

the societies use of manipulative language has been discussed on this site many time and i hope this adds to the ammunition to fight back against them.

periodically , i’ll run into someone and they’ll say “hendrixgrip, why don’t you come to the meetings anymore.” i’ll give them some not too specific reason like, “i’m struggling with the overlapping doctrine”.

OrphanCrow

Tex: Worst of all allowing the child abusers to remain inside for years

Worst of all is thinking that just booting out child abusers out of the so special jworg is the solution. What about how horrible it is to let an abuser loose in the community to harm more kids? Or is "keeping the org clean" the priority and forget about the rest of the world?

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Why would Satan give a rats ass about jehovahs witnesses?

by nowwhat? in

we know the answer but for the sake of discussion.

so satan is the ruler of the world and he is hellbent on destroying gods people, why?

satan controls 99.9 % of the world except for one little obscure religious group that no one pays any attention to.

OrphanCrow

NowWhat, this post reminds me of something I was told many, many years ago (when i was young, naive and not long after I had "escaped")...

I was speaking to a counselor and I expressed my concern about "demunz" who would attack a person once they left da troof and she pointed out how irrational that thinking was.

"If Satan really wanted you to leave the "one true religion", don't you think he would leave you alone once you have left? And think about this...if Satan and his demons leave you alone when you are a JW, maybe it is because he is happy when you are inside a Kingdom Hall".