Posts by OrphanCrow

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Did you hear that!? His Honour is insisting that Jackson attend the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

i actually started clapping at that point, as his honour explained to the wt type creep sycophantic slithery lawyer that........" i understand that we all have issues to face in life and .....that is a part of life...........however it has become obvious that this man ....is in such a position to assist with this investigation.....".

it boils down to the fact that stewart outright accused the latest witness of misleading the royal commission and this lead to some document searches which led his honour to conclude that they had been protecting mr jackson.

this was a warm and fluffy moment folks.................brilliant stuff!!!!!

OrphanCrow

punkofnice: I'd be interested to see if the 'Theocratic warfare(tm)' quote is used in the RC.

Yes. It was used by Monty Baker's lawyer. The 1957 quote is too old to have much clout, though, But it does set the stage - I believe I saw a more recent quote posted somewhere, from 2002/3, that would bring the directive to engage in theocratic warfare, up to date.

Jackson, when (and if...) he appears, has a lot to answer for. Because of the GB's claims that they speak for Jehovah, this will be like putting God on the stand. Humph...I wonder what Jehovah Jackson will have to say for himself.

Jackson's words - and he is head of the Writing Department - have got to be pretty damned close to Jehovah's words, don't they?

Heehee, I wonder if Justice McClelland knows that he is almost going to be talking to God himself! Heehee, this is getting better and better.

I hope Jackson shows up. It will be like Judgement Day - except Jehovah will be the defendant instead of the judge.

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Royal Commission Live Hearing Now

by LostinJapan in

wednesday 5 , day 7 live hearing.

case study 29, july 2015, sydney.

OrphanCrow

Clowns.

Toole is a WT goon.

"He did it". "No, he did it, No, he did it"...see? No confession. One word against the other!

"He did it!!!" "Not me!"

It must be a WT game. It sounds like something kids would play in the sandbox at recess during grade school.

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

OrphanCrow

ante: @orphancrow he also said that 400 were familial so it's ok to abuse your own family I didn't get why he said that.

You are right - I picked up on that, too.

When you think of it, considering that Applewhite was speaking about the "messages" contained in the WT literature and directives, the message that is given to children that they will grow up and marry a "brother" or marry a "sister" is rather perverse, isn't it?

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[Day 6 - 4/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

unfortunately, part 1 will not be available until later, but i thought i give you the other parts anyway .

day six of the proceedings:.

part 2 has been uploaded and part 3,4 and (5?

OrphanCrow

Heaven: Exactly what do JW elders do to ensure a child is kept safe within their congregation? Spinks is stating they do everything they can including removing the child from the situation. Huh? This is not my understanding at all.

Spinks only said that to look good. The elders that he was instructing in BCG's case did the exact opposite. Those elders, with instruction form the Service Desk (which, according to Spinks, looks after "theorcratical" and "spitirtual" concerns) conselled the abuser to move "back into the family home" in order to receive repentance. The family home had two small girls that the elders already knew had been abused. "Acting on counsel from the Service Desk".

Spink's testimony is in conflict with what the Royal Commission has already been told. Applewhite even gave testimony that the elders have no power or authority to remove a child from a home.

The elders misuse their power to abuse victims of crime and then back off and don't use that power when they should and could - to protect victims. They make victims with their doctrines and enforce the abuse with their policies.

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

OrphanCrow

ante: Saying that their only been two elders and four MS in the pass ten years charge with child abuse like that was something to brag about they are sick.

But...but...what about the other 1000 case files they hang on to? Does that mean that the JWs don't think that the other 1000 are "guilty" by Biblical law??

His number crunching didn't make much sense. He would say when questioned about the cases they had to respond to - "oh, we hardly have any of those..."

But then he would pull all sorts of examples of child abuse allegations out of thin air to show that "we know what we are doing. We have experience..."

He said about the 190 abuser figure: "They weren't JWs." Why is that? Sure, some may have offended prior to joining the JWs, but I bet a large number were disfellowshipped predators. The ones that the JW had already condemed. They knew they were criminals before the cases hit the courts.

Throwing numbers out there is one thing but how they are presented is quite another.

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

OrphanCrow

startrekangel: If Jesus was not willing to be a judge between two brothers over financial matters (where simple Math would have offered a fair outcome) what makes these nutjobs think that they can judge over a sexual abuse case?

True that. What is with their obsession with investigating child abuse allegations?

Do they invest that many man hours into investigating a 'brother' or 'sister that has been suspected of murder? Hell, they say they won't even report murder! Do they minutely investigate all sins/crimes of the congregants with as much due diligence?

They have a twisted view of crime and sin - Spinks wouldn't even admit to the inability to change a serial rapist. No shit - they baptized Sutcliffe. He refused to budge on the notion that Gawd can change anyobody. He had to - there would go all those prison visits!

The weird thing to me is that these nutjobs would even want to take on the task of investigating - seeing as it is so "disgusting". Why would they want to evaluate details of child sex abuse allegations?

I noticed that DeRooy was so confident that they would get more evidence. Sure he was - the elders were encouraging the abuser to go back into the home. So they could confidently go back and hear some more child abuse stories and write them down. They knew he would abuse and they encouraged it. Why is that? Really. Why?

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

OrphanCrow

Spinks threw everybody he could think of under the bus - all the religions and cultures he could that popped out of his brain. He brought up Muslims and even Native American traditions. Without understanding the least bit about those beliefs and traditions. He must have pissed off a lot of people last night with his comments.

According to him, the JWs were the heroes of WW2. You know...all those guys who didn't fight but helped build Himmler's castle. And the ones who did all that administrative work for the SS because the JWs wouldn't touch anything 'military'. But they were good at helping Pohl in the financing department of the SS. Those guys.

Spinks was well trained - in Watchtower propaganda. He took the opportunity to give a "good witness" to all those worldy people.

*even a queen can fall with a well placed pawn and a knight moving in sideways...

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

OrphanCrow

maksutov: Still, he seemed to perform much better than the others. I would think a moderate JW watching days 1-5 would feel very uncomfortable, but day 6 would make them feel soooo much better.

Ah, yes, this guy was a well trained Society man all the way. That will reassure the faithful.

But, he gave a truthful account of the lengths that the Society will require them to go to lie for them. And a truthful account of how incredibly awful they will treat women. He was horrible to the women lawyers. And, he gave a detailed account as to how the JW judicial process acts to collect, document and distribute all those child sex stories that they are obsessed with meeting together, time and time again, to discuss in detail. And so obediently passing all those details on to their 'superiors'.

Spinks was actually quite a valuable witness.

I wonder if Spinks is actually one of those Society members? One of those 300-500 men that, according to the WTS charter, gain elite membership into the voting circle of the Society itself?

Is he one of those men who have the special status? Is he one of the annointed?

One or both of those factors would hold him to a greater accountability for the crime of collecting child sex abuse material. That is a crime that holds no borders over all those 'lands' he brags about. Mandatory reporting laws or not, crimes have already been committed.

Spinks gave a great accounting of the WTS' crimes against children.

I hope the Toole tries to top Spink's performance. Lol! Did you catch the jw..org plug that Spinks threw in last nite? Haha! Maybe Toole will wear a blue button for his appearance.

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Have you preyed?

by username in

i thought i'd post something that breaks from the ongoing australian slaughter house lol.. so let's pretend we are doing the new thursday night item that has replaced local needs.

how has jehovah helped you?

(translated you should be effing thankfull to us 7 men!

OrphanCrow

username: I thought I'd post something that breaks from the ongoing Australian slaughter house lol.

Lol. And here I clicked on the thread title because I thought that it must to be about the Australian slaughter house.

Have you preyed? Do you prey every night? Do you prey at the end of each meeting? Do you prey before each meal??

Aaccckkk....!

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RC: an emotional trigger?

by sparrowdown in

jw
friends

is this rc triggering any painful memories for anyone else?

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for me, it's stirring up all the emotions of what it felt like dealing with assholes like this.

OrphanCrow

An emotional trigger?

Definitely. Big time. My mama rage is hard to keep bottled up. Maybe I need a skin bottle in which to put my anger.

The level of misogyny is horrific.

I was sickened by the description of how the elders "collect evidence".

What is being described as "evidence collecting" brings up mental images of all those elders we saw on the stand so far, all sitting around in a circle jerk sharing stories about child sex. Sometimes with the child doing the telling, sometimes just elders and the man accused. Questions about details of child sex. Doing it over and over again. Because "they don't have a confession yet". "Gotta go get that child to give us more details!"

Yuck. Bunch of perverts. They even have provision for an "observer" to the story collecting. Sounds like something that would happen in Thailand. A man pays to go sit in a room while a child tells him about sex and he gets to asks questions about all the details. While another man watches and listens. The judicial process comes complete with accomodation for a voyeur.

Free child sex stories.

Yuck, yuck, yuck.

And if they don't have enough of those stories, they can always find some wayward teen or wife to provide them with "details for investigation" into sex crimes/sins.

These stupid WT guys have picked, methinks, the wrong issue to take a stand on this time. Throw their asses in jail and leave them in the general population. Then they can find out how skinners are treated in that justice system. If they don't like this one, try that one out.
Emotional trigger? You betcha. I can't stand perverts.