Posts by OrphanCrow

Jackson's slip is at 1:06:45. Jackson is being questioned about whether "observers" can be at the hearing and Jackson is speaking about "parents of minors", "husband/wives", "friends" who could attend the hearing in a support capacity:

"...if the guilty party wants to have them there, they can do that..."

In the context of the questioning, the victim is the one who supposedly had the option to have "observers" as support for them when they testify against the accused. Jackson has called the victim "the guilty party".

Paradisebeauty: If you have a copy of the audio, please post it.
Thank you

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/

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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.

in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".

what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.

OrphanCrow

the "I know for a fact" is based on the fact that I police report could be filed for this.

Police reports can be filed for lots of things. It doesn't necessarily mean that a law has been broken - police are not attorneys - they do not interpret the law. That job is for the courts to decide.

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This misquote makes my blood boil! (Excuse the pun)

by ILoveTTATT2 in

this absolutely upsets me!they always keep doing this garbage, putting people into harm's way by not telling them the whole information!and plus, any blood info from australia is likely biased... the two jw's they hired to manage blood transfusions in australia are doing an excellent job at doing propaganda.

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OrphanCrow

halfbanana: I know you have done so much valuable and welcome research on this (and I haven’t) but I am still looking for your definitive evidence of official Watchtower complicity and profiting from the promotion of the work of Farmer and Hofmann et al.

The definitive evidence that the Watchtower is complicit in Farmer and Hoffman's work is evident in that both are founding members of SABM (along with several other JWs). These JW SABM members were trained by the Watchtower through the Hospital Information Services training program that is set up by the Watchtower itself.

We also know that JWs that are in the public eye do NOT do anything that the WTS does not approve of - a JW in that position is doing exactly what they are told to do by the WTS. They do not operate independently.

Do I have evidence of actual $$ exchanging hands and financial profit going directly into the WTS coffers? Well, that would be stupid on the part of the WTS, wouldn't it? What I do have is evidence that the WTS has spent lots of $$$$$ on the promotion of their noblood doctrine for many years prior to the establishment of their HLC network and since then. When a business spends money on something, that expense is evidence of an investment in that area. A business doesn't spend that much money on something without seeing a return on that expense. And, of course I don't have access to the exact way they are financially profiting...the same way we don't have access to their profits on their real estate transactions. We know the WTS sell real estate but we have no idea how much they profit or if they do. They do not have open books. and I don't have the ability to hack their books.

We already know that the way the WTS does business is by shaking green hands behind closed doors. It is unreasonable to ask for that information from me. But, if anyone has information that would clarify that (like maybe secret tapings of who shakes whose hands) then I would welcome that evidence.

We also know that the WTS sent representatives to FDA hearings where the US Army requested permission to continue studies on JW patients to test the efficacy of blood substitutes. That is evidence of complicity. I do not have evidence that the US Army or the company that supplies Hemopure paid the WTS, but do you really think that the JWs are simply a free group of experimental subjects? Do you think that the WTS sends reps to FDA hearings and to bloodless conferences all over the world and just simply chalks up all that expense as "charitable work"? That is a lot of money spent without showing a return for it and if it was charitable work, then how come they don't brag about all that money spent in their accounting to the congregations about all the "charitable" work they do for the blood industry?

I would love to have the definitive evidence that you request. However, I don't have a Royal Commission behind me to demand that the WTS turn over their financial records. And, I don't have access to the membership list of who is actually members of the Watchtower Society itself. We do not know who the Society members are or who of those Society members are profiting from the bloodless industry. We just know that the bloodless industry has many JWs within it. Are any of them Society members? Please provide me with the list of Society membership and then I may be able to match up the JWs who profit from the bloodless industry with the Society membership roll.

JWs would be the last people to be consulted medically on the matter of blood, it does not gel with normal protocol.

Exactly. Then maybe you can tell me why the JWs have been involved with the medical community in the first place. Their only role should be in providing the medical community with religious justification, not medical justification yet they have had their nose in the medical promotion of bloodless medicine since at least the 1960s and 70s.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

OrphanCrow

Did you catch Jackson's slip right at the end? He was trying to say that the victim could have support people at the hearing, but I am pretty sure that he called the victim "the guilty party".

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

OrphanCrow

Doug Jackson slipped right at the very end. He said that "the guilty party" can request to have support people at the hearing. I think that the question was about the person making the allegations having support people and he called the victim "the guilty party".

I have a feeling that Jackson is going to have his ass handed to him tomorrow. The judge already is not impressed with him.

Max Horley slipped, too. And he knew it - he used the words "keep it under wraps" when he was talking about why the victim was told not to talk about the abuse to others. He cringed when those words slipped out. He was obviously coached about how to phrase his replies and he cracked under the questioning.

The options are their to .F.B , Twitter , and Blog , etc , this story so as to give this story as wide a publicity as possible to all and sundry.
Please do so .
smiddy

Already on my facebook feed. Set to public view.

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Pedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in Jehovah’s Witness church royal commission told

by stuckinamovement in

wow.

things are heating up in australia.

what a headline.. http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/paedophiles-repeatedly-promoted-to-positions-of-authority-in-jehovahs-witness-church-royal-commission-told/story-fnii5s3x-1227458483269.

OrphanCrow

Pay attention all elders!

Church elders could now face criminal charges for concealment of serious indictable offences and failure to disclose sexual offences against minors, counsel assisting the commission Angus Stewart SC said.

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Media headline:Jehovah's Witnesses did not report 1006 alleged sex abusers to police, royal commission told

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

check it for yourself: .

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witnesses-did-not-report-1006-alleged-sex-abusers-to-police-royal-commission-told-20150727-gil1u7.

not a good look!.

OrphanCrow

Holy crap.

1006 over 60 years is 16.76 per year - more than one per month.

At least one incident of possible sex abuse reported to the elders each and every month over 60 years. And we know that less than 40% of victims come forward. That figure could easily be doubled. Or tripled.

Holy crap.

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This misquote makes my blood boil! (Excuse the pun)

by ILoveTTATT2 in

this absolutely upsets me!they always keep doing this garbage, putting people into harm's way by not telling them the whole information!and plus, any blood info from australia is likely biased... the two jw's they hired to manage blood transfusions in australia are doing an excellent job at doing propaganda.

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OrphanCrow

Ilove: Is there any way to protest this? Any way to make changes and ask the Australian government to look into this?

I don't know. The SABM is embedded in every country's patient blood management programs. They have already throttled the blood supply everywhere - in Canada, in Europe, in Russia, in India...the list goes on and on.

I have no idea how to combat the insidious nature of what we are dealing with. Or if it even can be - patient blood management has already become the accepted standard of care and it may very well be too late to do anything about it. The WTS has pulled the wool over the eyes of the entire global medical world. They are sitting and laughing right now...and counting their money.

It pisses me off to no end that blood transfusion guidelines are set by Jehovah's Witnesses. As far as I am concerned, a Jehovah's Witness should not be allowed to come anywhere near any country's blood supply. They should mind their own business and stick to selling Bibles, not f**king around with people's lives.

Like Scientologists deciding what "drugs" are and what people can and cannot receive.

Yes. It would be like all abortion clinics having to follow guidelines that are set by the Catholic Church. Or family planning centers having the nuns hand out birth control.

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This misquote makes my blood boil! (Excuse the pun)

by ILoveTTATT2 in

this absolutely upsets me!they always keep doing this garbage, putting people into harm's way by not telling them the whole information!and plus, any blood info from australia is likely biased... the two jw's they hired to manage blood transfusions in australia are doing an excellent job at doing propaganda.

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OrphanCrow

This is what makes my blood boil.

Follow the link that is in the OP concerning the "Best practice guidelines on blood transfusions":

http://transfusion.com.au/transfusion_practice/patient_blood_management

Patient Blood Management
Patient Blood Management (PBM) is the timely application of evidence-based medical and surgical concepts designed to maintain haemoglobin concentration, optimise haemostasis and minimise blood loss in an effort to improve patient outcome.(1)
The Austrian benchmark study of blood use in adult patients undergoing elective surgery demonstrated three main predictors for red blood cell transfusions: preoperative anaemia, volume of surgical blood loss and failure to adopt a more restrictive threshold for transfusion.(2) Strategies to address these risks are referred to as the three pillars of patient blood management:
optimisation of blood volume and red cell mass
minimisation of blood loss
optimisation of the patient’s tolerance of anaemia
PBM incorporates proactive treatment regimes which are tailored to suit individual patients, using a multidisciplinary team approach to conserve a patient’s own blood. Techniques may involve the use of pharmaceutical agents and medical devices to reduce the need for allogeneic blood transfusion.
An increasing focus on PBM has been driven by a number of factors including:
the risks associated with blood transfusion—with increasing evidence of increased length of stay and higher risk of morbidity and mortality
rising costs, both direct and indirect, associated with provision and transfusion of allogeneic blood
challenges of maintaining an adequate blood supply in the face of increased demand due to ageing population(3)
Within the surgical setting, employment of principles for patient blood management begins at the time of surgical booking and continues through to patient recovery, incorporating preoperative, intraoperative and postoperative measures.
Principles and strategies used for patient blood management are also relevant to non-surgical patients.
Patient Blood Management strategies are advancing and becoming a key area for improvement within the health sector both within Australia and internationally; with increasing demonstration that use of the methods results in:
increased patient satisfaction
decrease in the need for transfusion
improved patient outcomes
healthcare cost savings.(1)

And where do these guidelines for transfusion practice in Australia originate?

The guidelines originate with the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management:

References
Society for the Advancement of Blood Management. Professional definition Patient Blood Management. [cited 2012 September 11]. Available from: http://www.sabm.org/
Gombotz H, Rehak R, Shander A, Hofmann A. Blood use in elective surgery: the Austrian benchmark study. Transfusion 2007;47:1468–1480.
Thomson A, Farmer S, Hofmann A, Isbister J, Shander A. Patient Blood Management - a new paradigm for transfusion medicine? ISBT Science Series 2009;4:423–435.

Farmer and Hoffman are definitely JWs - I am not sure about the other names listed...I think a couple of them may be JWs as well. They all have conducted many, many medical studies on Jehovah's Witnesses and are a part of the blood management programs and clinics that have been established through the WTS' Hospital Information Services network.

And that is who is setting the guidelines for EVERYBODY. The WTS trained the people who now control the entire blood supply in Australia.The Society for the Advancement of Blood Management is an "arm's length" Watchtower Society organization. It was founded by Jehovah's Witnesses who came up through the ranks of the Hospital Liaison Committees.

That is what makes my blood boil.