would it really affect them?
how would it affect volunteers at any construction project since that work would now be taxable.
any materials they buy would be taxable.
At the very least, churches should be taxed a portion of their money to go to cult recovery support. The social costs to deal with cult survivors is not one that the rest of society should have to pay for.
The same as governments give a portion of liquor sales and casino profit to addictions recovery, the WTS (and other churches) should be made to give a portion of their total donations to cult recovery. They should be held socially responsible for the harm they cause.
interesting read.
if they already allow "fractions," there's no way they can ban this.. here:www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-to-give-volunteers-synthetic-blood-made-in-a-laboratory-within-two-years-10343279.html.
I just want to add some trivia about stem cells and the resulting medical research that has happened since stem cells were first discovered back in 1961.
Transplantable stem cells were discovered by two Canadians - Dr. James Till at the Ontario Cancer Institute in Toronto.
Of course, one of the concerns, of the research field that engaged in stem cell research, was how to acquire stem cells. One of the sources for these stem cells was blood - bone marrow and fat both contain precious stem cells. The company who was one of the first to develop technology for harvesting stem cells was Haemonetics.
Haemonetics emerged onto the biotechnology playing field in 1971, I believe, but their technology had been around for a while already. The company was formed out of necessity - When Baxter purchased American Hospital Supply some of the technology that was being produced by AHS, from which current 'bloodless surgery' relies on, was in direct competition to one of Baxter's existing concerns. This was likely another emerging biotech company based in either Europe or Britain. So Haemonetics was born. Just in time to develop stem cell harvesting technology- their early success was based on their stem cell harvesting technology.
What came out of that early technology for stem cell harvesting was the Haemonetics cell saver machine. The "bloodless surgery" that is recommended for JWs relies on cell savers.
Some of the early problems encountered with cell savers was that the re-introduction of a patient's blood often had material in it that was detrimental to the patient's health - bone chips, bone marrow and fat, and malignant cancer cells . So cell savers moved up a notch in its technology - Haemonetics added a filtering system that filtered out (as waste) those elements (which included stem cells). When a person's blood is scavenged with a cell saver, it is "washed' and then re-transfused back into the patient.
The Haemonetics cell saver is just one of the company's tools in its bag of technology that appeals to the stem cell field of research. And, it is the Haemonetics company that is linked to WTS people who work in the field of blood management.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
Reiblings' involvement in the arts doesn't stop at just giving money to exhibitions.
Lorenz Reibling owns an art gallery in Boston. The Lorand Gallery.
The ownership of the gallery is mentioned in this article: https://bcartsinsider.wordpress.com/tag/faculty-and-staff-artists/
The exhibition will take place at Lorand Gallery at 156 Newbury Street. Lorenz Reibling, the gallery owner, believes “At Work” will be a “rewarding experience” for everyone involved.
And who does Lorenz Reibling rub shoulders with when he isn't teaching history or attending art exhibitions or globe trotting on real estate ventures or attending JW meetings? Well, he hangs out with an interesting crowd.
http://familyofficeassociation.com/dwnld/Spring_Summit_Speakers.pdf
About the Family Office Association
The Family Office Association (FOA) is a global membership organization exclusive to single family offices and families of wealth. We are based in Greenwich, Connecticut but have members from all over the United States and around the world. Our membership realizes the value of coming together in a confidential setting to share ideas and compare notes. The Family Office Association seeks to provide the combination of privacy and openness where relationships of trust can grow.
These are the primary concerns of the association:
1. Preservation of family wealth
2. The fostering of Stewardship in the next generation, and
3. The expansion of family philanthropic Legacy
Lorenz Reiblin (strange spelling) is listed as "Featured Speaker Real Assets Investing for Single Family Offices" and his bio says this:
Chairman and Co-Founder of Taurus Investment Holdings, LLC, a real estate investment advisor to high-net-worth individuals in Boston. Lorenz is focused on the development and nourishment of international relationships with investors and product sources predominantly in Taurus’ non-US related businesses. He is a frequent speaker at real estate conferences, and an advisor to the renowned MIT/CRE Center of Real Estate in Cambridge, MA. Lorenz is a co-founder of Taurus, and has been involved in hundreds of commercial real estate transactions since 1979.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
To back up a couple years, in 2010, Mr. Watchtower Man/AKA Professor Reibling was making good use of his expertise in Organizational Management:
Liechtenstein Congress on Sustainable Development and
Responsible Investing 2010
15-18 September 2010
Hochschule Liechtenstein, Vaduz
Awaken by financial, ecological and political threats the global economy is transforming fast, from short-term thinking and a systemic reliance on non-renewable resources, to an innovative, just, sustainable and prosperousfuture. The Liechtenstein Congress provides an international platform for practical research and informed practice in Sustainable Development and Responsible Investing, guided by effective policy and enlightened by a deep sense of responsibility.
Reibling spoke at this congress about:
New Value Paradigm - a requirement for responsible property development
Lorenz Reibling, Chairman Taurus Investment
Lorenz Reibling is Chairman of Taurus Investment Holdings, LLC. He focuses on the development and cultivation of international relationships with key clients and product sources. He is a frequent speaker at real estate conferences, and an advisor to the renowned MIT/CRE Center of Real Estate in Cambridge, MA, and acts as spokesperson for the firm. Lorenz is a co-founder of Taurus, and has been involved in hundreds of commercial real estate transactions over the past 35+ years.
Reibling has really jumped onto the "green wagon". I had posted a video earlier, taped in 2014, where Lorenz speaks about his development in Texas and his 'green' concerns. Less than three weeks ago, Reibling made another appearance to voice the green direction that his investments concerns are taking. And to receive accolades for his "eight years of successful collaboration in advancing both the Liechtenstein Congress for Sustainable Development and Responsible Investing and its short and sharp cousin, the Green Summit."
Green Summit 2015 – University of Liechtenstein, Vaduz
Green Summit 2015: 9 and 10 June 2015
SUFFICIENCIES & ESSENTIALS: FOOD, SHELTER, LIFE, LIFESTYLE
Concept and Chair: Prof. Peter Droege, Chair for Sustainable Spatial Development, University of Liechtenstein
The event is focused on new agriculture, social sufficiency initiatives, new architecture, energy and resource autonomous urban change and property finance and development opportunities in this rapidly rising industry.
"Food & Shelter": the industrialised world regards these as the luxury commodities "cuisine" and "property", hedonistic attributes of our so-called advanced yet rapacious civilisation. And yet, for the majority of people these are still very basic, essential features of an existential reality, while the very habitability of our planet is at risk due a continued drive to maximise exploitation of resources that are not renewable, for narrow profit allocations. Dimensions securing biological existence and broad prosperity: This is what we reflect on in this year's green supersummit. We rethink life in cities, relation to food, growth itself, energy and resource autonomous property: who are the thought and action leaders? Where are the investment potentials?
Opening speakers of the first day are Dr. Felix Prinz zu Löwenstein, Author of Food Crash and prominent advocate of a global organic food revolution, and Dr. Greta Taubert, whose personal "apocalypse" led her to understand the existential and psychological challenges of living "on the edge", in the mainstream reality of the homeless, and tracing the realities of crisis survival. Property visionary and Professor Lorenz Reibling will speak to breakthroughs in large scale practice, and help us celebrate eight years of successful collaboration in advancing both the Liechtenstein Congress for Sustainable Development and Responsible Investing and its short and sharp cousin, the Green Summit.
Ah...a JW who has earned the title of "visionary". How ironic - involved in green projects for a planet that is about to see total destruction at the hands of the god that Reibling worships. Huh...maybe Reibling is getting ready for the transformation of earth after that awful war of Armageddon. Green planning = paradise planning.
The ironies don't stop.
In 2007, the Harvard University Art Museum had an exhibition titled “Gods in Color: Painted Sculpture of Classical Antiquity”.
CAMBRIDGE, MA (August 24, 2007)—The Harvard University Art Museums present Gods in Color: Painted Sculpture of Classical Antiquity at the Arthur M. Sackler Museum from September 22, 2007 through January 20, 2008. This traveling exhibition of over 20 full-size color reconstructions of important Greek and Roman works challenges the popular notion of classical white marble sculpture, illustrating that ancient sculpture was far more colorful, complex, and exuberant than is often thought. The reconstructions will be displayed in the Sackler’s galleries of ancient art alongside some 35 original statues and reliefs—primarily from the Art Museums’ own collections of Greek, Roman, Near Eastern, and Egyptian art. Gods in Color breaks new ground as it constitutes the first largescale effort to recreate the original appearance of ancient sculpture.
And who was listed as one of the sources of funding for this exhibition of "Gods in Color"? You guessed it...Lorenz and Laura Reibling.
Credits This exhibition was organized by the Stiftung Archäologie and the Staatliche Antikensammlungen und Glyptothek, Munich. It was conceived by Vinzenz Brinkmann, Liebieghaus, Frankfurt, and Raimund Wünsche, Staatliche Antikensammlungen und Glyptothek, Munich; and curated at the Harvard University Art Museums by Susanne Ebbinghaus, George M. A. Hanfmann Curator of Ancient Art, and Amy Brauer, Diane Heath Beever Associate Curator of Ancient Art. Funding for the exhibition and its publications was provided by Christopher and Jean Angell, Walter and Ursula Cliff, Mark B. Fuller, the German Consulate General Boston, the German Foreign Office, Evangelos D. Karvounis, James and Sonia Kay, Roy Lennox and Joan Weberman, Marian Marill, Markus Michalke, Sharmin and Bijan Mossavar-Rahmani, Samuel Plimpton, Laura and Lorenz Reibling, the Ida and William Rosenthal Foundation, and two anonymous donors.
Now, isn't that ironic? The JW peons are all throwing out their statues of Buddha and burning anything that could be remotely considered "pagan", yet the wealthy JWs support art exhibitions that deal with ancient depictions of pagan gods.
It is pretty obvious that there are different rules for the different levels of wealth that define the classes of Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently, if you have enough money, the demons won't bother you. I guess it is wealth that keeps Satan away.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
Marmot and truthseeker - posting here is publishing of a sorts. I am not interested in financial profit from this information, I am interested in other exJWs, like myself, knowing the truth about the WTS. Maybe it will make a book someday - in the meantime, I guess this is my draft work. (mind you...I am not above accepting financial rewards...Lol! If JWs can profit from spreading noblood propaganda and making real estate deals with the WTS, I would think that profiting from exposing them is acceptable).
I have made a post about the JWs involved in the production of noblood propaganda on this thread here:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/221089/new-documentary-boost-jws-stand-on-blood
But to keep this thread on track, I want to post some more information about Reibling, the JW real estate guru. What interests me about this particular JW is this: It is ironic that the members of our exJW forums all speak about the rank and file JWs being mainly poor and uneducated, yet there are many JWs who obviously belong to a different class than the peons who eek out a bare minimum living, trying to make their monthly donations, and being told not to go to university or get educated beyond the minimum.
Lorenz Reibling has an education - a Masters degree in Organizational Management. yet he teaches history - I find that to be odd. That a person can teach history without an educational background that reflects the discipline. However, I think it is quite possible that Professor Reibling has earned his 'professor' title teaching the discipline that he acquired his Masters degree in - "Organizational Management with focus on maximizing intellectual capital". I still question his quallifications for teaching history, but if anyone is interested in taking a class from him, he will be teaching at the Woods College of Advancing Studies in Boston College this fall semester. That is, if you are interested in learning history with a Watchtower bias built into the course.
ADHS 126301 Hitler, The Churches, and the Holocaust
To better understand the climate and complexities that contributed to the Christian church's weakened responses to Hitler's policies, the course examines the development of Christian anti-Judaism, anti-Semitism and nationalism. It analyzes the resistance that emerged in response to totalitarianism and to the Holocaust, and considers the main Christian post-Holocaust efforts as they contribute to theological development and current thinking.
Wed 6:15–9:15, Sept 2–Dec 16, Lorenz Reibling
U.S. Embassy Organizes a Presentation on Holocaust (April 23, 2012)
The Public Affairs Section of the U.S. Embassy hosted Mr. Robert Buckley, consultant for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, and Professor Lorenz Reibling, Boston College, for the public lecture “Holocaust: History and its Lessons.” Cultural Attache, Lola Petrova introduced guest speakers to invited audience. The lecture took place at Tbilisi State University. It is estimated that 11 million people were killed during the Holocaust. Six million of these were Jews. In his lecture, Mr. Robert Buckley overviewed the history of Nazi Germany and provided facts about Holocaust.
He presented slides of U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and shared the story of how it was created. Students and invited guests learnt that in addition to Jews, the Nazis targeted Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses, and the disabled for persecution. Anyone who resisted the Nazis was sent to forced labor or murdered in concentration camps. Mr. Buckley mentioned extermination camps and talked about Auschwitz, which was the largest concentration camp. Professor Rebilling of Boston College also provided a brief presentation on Nazi persecution of religion and Christian Churches. At the end of the lecture, Mr. Buckley thanked Ms. Nana Mamagulishvili, Head of TSU Public Relations Office for hosting and gifted TSU library with a book on U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.
personally i think this is wonderful.
i have nothing against gay people and wish them only the best.. but of course i'm in a minority of one, the jw's around me are posting away on fb the most homophobic vitriol imaginable.
a lot of them are even saying that it's the start to armageddon!!.
I think the most ironic thing of all when it comes to the SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage is that it is the USA can thank the Jehovah's Witnesses for the basis of the ruling.
One of the court cases that is cited in the opinion of the court, is the West Virginia Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette in 1943 where the JWs successfully challenged First Amendment rights.
http://warwickpost.com/supreme-court-rules-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/7396/
In response to the plea that the issue be allowed to play out in legislation and democratic debate:
“The dynamic of our constitutional system is that individuals need not await legislative action before asserting a fundamental right. The Nation’s courts are open to injured individuals who come to them to vindicate their own direct, personal stake in our basic charter. An individual can invoke a right to constitutional protection when he or she is harmed, even if the broader public disagrees and even if the legislature refuses to act.
The idea of the Constitution “was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts.” West Virginia Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U. S. 624, 638 (1943). This is why “fundamental rights may not be submitted to a vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”
Apparently, judging from the JWs reaction to the Scotus ruling on gay marriage, the JWs believe that the courts should only rule in their favor, and nobody else's. First amendment rights , according to the JWs, is exclusively their territory and should not extend to the rest of the country.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrisy in action.
this trailer is circulating on jw apologist sites and youtube channels just in time for their annual reminder on no blood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyjhjecfim
To add to the information exposing this film as a noblood propaganda piece generated by the WTS.
http://www.asiageographic.com/primum/Primum_Press_Kit_2012.pdf
This man is a Jehovah's Witness - the Watchtower is linked to his linkedin profile and his JW grandmother's obit is online:
Co-producer/Co-director/Editor – Jason Sievert (United States) Sievert started his career working from the ground up. He has experience shooting on location in Germany, Brazil, England, Spain, France, Italy, Puerto Rico and Canada. He has filmed all over the USA including Los Angeles and New York. He has extensive experience in television and film productions, both as Producer and Editor, being recognized with several international awards. As Co-producer, Co-director and Editor, Sievert's expertise shines through in 'Primum Non Nocere'.
One of the key investors is a Jehovah's Witness. You can read a lengthy and revealing discussion that Niel May engages in about the JWs and blood in the comments section of this article:
http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=5108
Key Investor – Noel May (Ireland) May has a range of business interests in Australia, Ireland, Spain, and the United Kingdom. These revolve around the wellness and health markets. He is a financial investor in 'Primum Non Nocere – First Do No Harm', and was instrumental in facilitating a key interview with Prof. Slepoushkin, MD, from Russia. May continues to collaborate with Asia Geographic Entertainment on the project and is convinced this documentary will make a difference.
The other investor is interesting - Yanti Regan from Malaysia - described in some places as "Indonesia's multi-level marketing (MLM) magnate".
The photo researcher on the film crew is a Jehovah's Witness. His zoominfo profile lists his employment as the Watchtower Art Department.:
Photo Researcher - Tim Fortuna (United States) Fortuna is a freelance photo researcher and has spent the last 15 years building a reputation in photo research, licensing, and image acquisition. His first-rate research has lead to many new archival discoveries.
This film is definitely a biased production made by JWs and directed towards a larger market. It has the appearance of an independent production yet it is anything but that.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
vidiot: Hell, I'm a five-year-plus fader who knows the TATT backwards and forwards, and the possibility that the WTS could be surreptitiously profiting from the "bloodless" med-tech industry - and what's more, crafting it's blood-related policies to maximize said profits - never occurred to me.
Vidiot, I was in the same boat as you five years ago. It never crossed my mind. I was doing some digging around about charity laws and nonprofits - I have some knowledge about the nonprofit system through experience in the art world - galleries and artists' collectives operate in that system. Somehow or another, in my research, which had taken me down to Australia, I stumbled upon a link that ended me up with access to a court ruling from Russia. A court case between the Watchtower Society and the Russian Supreme Court. I translated it and when I read it through, trying to make sense of the judgement, one part jumped out at me - the WTS lawyers were making a case to the Russian courts that the reason that the JWs were valuable to Russia was that there were 3000 doctors all lined up and waiting to give bloodless treatment to JWs.
And that is when my first spidey sense went up - I had a rigorous professor in university for my research and methodology class, and ethical dilemmas were a large part of that class. Something didn't sit right with that. And then, when I started to look into this "bloodless medicine" that was being talked about in the Russian courts, the JWs all started to tumble out of the blood management tree.
That is when I started to do extensive "outside research" - I poured over medical books and studies, trying to understand blood and the technology that is associated with it. I schooled myself on blood history and how the bloodless market developed and where it fits in the blood transfusion timeline. And it was when I was doing that, that I stumbled upon an old, outdated book in a medical library that I visited to research blood transfusions. It was a book that had been produced by the WTS and placed in the medical library in 1974.
It was from reading that book that another revelation happened - I found my baby's place in the history of blood transfusion development. I wasn't looking for that, either, when I started this. I was only trying to figure out what kind of funding model the WTS was using for tax purposes.
I guess I shook the blood tree a little hard. My own blood fell out of it.
hi, i'm new here but hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere yet.
during the "imitate jesus" rc there was a strange moment where they played a video of a brother trying to explain the 1914 teaching.
the brother quickly goes through all the scriptural "proofs" and the householder is dumbfounded.
Finklestein: I wonder why no other Christian based faith came up with 1914 and its supposed relevance ?
They have. It just hasn't been advertised as extensively.
The Ba'hai faith claim the same 1914 prophecy. (The Ba'hai's are considered to be an apostate offshoot of Islam - they believe in the progression of prophets - Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and then Baha'u'llah).
In a newspaper article from Colorado around 1915, Abdu'l-Baha is pictured as the "Son of the Founder and Present Leader of the Baha'i Movement." A subheading entitled "Predicted War" goes on to say:
"At Leland Stanford university, in October, 1912, this same Abdu'l-Baha predicted the Great War: 'We are on the eve of the battle of Armageddon, referred to in the 16th chapter of Revelation. The time is two years hence when only a small spark will set aflame the whole of Europe."
http://www.uhj.net/end-time-prophecy.html
World War I which began in August of 1914, on the date 'Abdu'l-Baha accurately predicted was considered by scholars, after the fact, to fulfill the same Biblical prophecies as given by 'Abdu'l-Baha. Yet 'Abdu'l-Baha gave the date of this event before it actual transpired in the world, and without the benefit of the "hindsight" of experts who saw, after the fact, that what 'Abdu'l-Baha gave and the date that he gave, was the explicit fulfillment of the prophecy and apocalyptic warning of God
this trailer is circulating on jw apologist sites and youtube channels just in time for their annual reminder on no blood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyjhjecfim
I am bumping this thread to add some information about the two productions that are mentioned by discreetslave:
The film is the result of another project called Beijing Goes Bloodless.www.asiageographic.com/productions_pnn.html
The new documentary Primum Non Nocere is set to be released this springhttp://www.asiageographic.com/productions_pnn.html
The film Primum Non Nocere was produced and directed by two Jehovah's Wintesses who are part of the WTS bloodless team.
Richard Melseth and James Reynolds.
Melseth has been groomed by the WTS for his role in promoting 'bloodless' medicine since back in the 90s when he got his start with the Phoenix Hospital Liaison Committee for Jehovah's Witnesses (1993-1997). He also is one the JWs who are founding members of the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management - founded in 2001 and the first society of its kind.
Melseth's bio from website mybloodsite.com (now defunct):
Mr. Richard Melseth is Director of Blood Conservation Medicine at Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center, in Phoenix, Arizona. With ten years experience in the field of bloodless healthcare, Melseth has initiated development of hospital policies and clinical protocols, and coordinated multiple blood conservation education programs for physicians, nurses and the public, both locally and nationally.
Melseth's background in business development along with training while serving on the Phoenix Hospital Liaison Committee for Jehovah's Witnesses (1993-1997) propelled him into the world of blood management with program implementation at OrNda St Luke's Medical Center in 1995 and at Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center in 1999, a 625-bed, Level 1 trauma center and teaching hospital.
I have little information on James Reynolds except that he is tight with the other bloodless JWs - I believe Reynolds is also a JW. He is linked to the SABM, a JW organization, and to many of the JWs who are bloodless men. Reynolds and Melseth work together on promotion/propaganda campaigns for the bloodless world of the JWs.
discreetslave: I find it interesting the trailer is being circulated just before their serve-us meeting regarding No Blood. And that these projects are from an Asian production Co.,I say that because a few years back a JW from my old cong was attending the WT language instructors course he said they were told that the WT is focusing on the Chinese and are trying to direct more efforts towards reaching the Chinese especially the immigrants. He said they figured if more Chinese became JW's while abroad it will help gain more ground into China. This was second hand info but seeing this and noticing more Asians in the Learn From God's Word section of the public WT it seems more obvious.
Richard Melseth and James Reynolds have been part of the team actively grooming the Asian bloodless market for several years now.
A 2010 SABM newsletter chronicles the Asian bloodless promotional activities.
http://www.tingey.tv/Bloodless/PBM_Asia_report.pdf
The noblood propaganda films and other media formats that have been generated and distributed publicly, as well as inside the JWs, is entirely produced by the WTS and their strategically placed bloodless JW men. The information on these two films in particular is biased and deceptive. The information originates with the same organization that has put the Bloody Ban in place for the JWs to begin with.
