Posts by OrphanCrow

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JW Disfellowshipping vs. Amish Meidung vs. Bahá'í Covenant-Breaking

by SonoftheTrinity in

saw an interesting short documentary about a woman who was a born covenant-breaker (which is baha'i for disfellowshipped) because she is the great-granddaughter of baha'ullah whose grandfather disagreed with the leadership, as well as the command that no baha'is should live in israel unless they are working for the universal house of justice (their bethel).

i also read somewhere that shunning in many amish communities has been watered down to having to eat outside at weddings and other communal events.

the more comparisons are drawn between jehovah's witnesses and so called false religions, the less they can claim to be the only true religion.

OrphanCrow

The Ba'hai's are apostates themselves. They are viewed as apostates of Islam.

They have interesting history and teachings. The Ba'hai's are very different than the JWs, yet, at the same time, they have developed into an organizational hierarchy that is uncomfortably similar to the WTS. They have recently established a 'governing body' that is in charge of all things Ba'hai.

Notably, the Ba'hai's have a very different view than the JWs towards education. They promote higher education and also hold all of the creative arts in high regard.

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Is this what the society imagines will be above that 'secret hiding room' in the basement?

by Esse quam videri in

OrphanCrow

Slave: Lastly, two dudes are looking back at the destruction - no dub will EVER do that in fear of Big J maybe mistaking them for Lot's wife and turning them into salt.

Of course. How did I miss that? Silly me.

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Watchtower Lawyers -- How many?

by VM44 in

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this has been brought up before, but i am going to ask it again....just how many lawyers does the watchtower have?

how many have they sent to law school?

and, why do they need so many lawyers?

OrphanCrow

I would suggest they have Lawyers/legal Dept. in almost every country they operate in .

Glen Howe & Associates in Ontario, represent most of the Watchtower concerns in Canada. At least, I think they still do. Glen Howe died a few years back but, I imagine there would be no need to change firms.

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Where did the idea for the 'Bethel labour system' originate?

by Esse quam videri in

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ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

by TerryWalstrom in

of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

OrphanCrow

Which source is that O.C.? Kristen John-Stucke ?

Sorry, Terry - I missed that one.

From Between Resistance and Martyrdom: Jehovah's Witnesses in the Third Reich by Detlef Garbe. Page 449.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=cjRiEV0CSQUC&pg=PA449#v=onepage&q&f=false

And I missed part of the quote - it should read "...avoid written records or signatures..."

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ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

by TerryWalstrom in

of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

OrphanCrow

ScenicViewer:
Historical Dictionary of Jehovah's Witnesses, page 73, by George D. Chryssides states: "Of the 25,000 Witnesses and Earnest Bible Students in Germany, 13,400 spent at least some time serving prison sentences. According to Gestapo files, more than half recanted."
If more than half recanted, that's a pretty big chunk of Witneses and a victory for Hitler, while Watchtower insists that virtually all remained unbroken.

According to Kristen John-Stucke (Persecution and Resistance of Jehovah's Witnesses During the Nazi Regime, Hans Hesse 2001), about 50 percent of the BibleStudents/JWs who were sent to prison signed the letter to recant before they were released and only about 10 percent signed them once they reached the camps.

John-Stucke points out that it was not advantageous to the BS/JW prisoners to sign the letters once they reached the camps because it was, in effect, potentially signing their own death warrants because the men who signed would be sent to the front to fight and rarely returned. Not signing the recant and staying in the camps was the safest and best way for the BS/JWs to survive the war.

By the end of the war, it was not required that the BS/JWs sign a declaration - they were released on a handshake. This provision was put in place by Himmler for the many, many JW prisoners who were placed in privileged positions both within, and outside, of the camps in positions of trust for the Nazis.

Himmler's proposal to release the BS/Jws on just a handshake:

"In all these cases where prisoners are partially free and have been assigned to such work, we want to avoid written records and make such agreements with just a handshake".

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Governing Body Member Stephan Lett Lies On JW.TV

by Finkelstein in

i thought it would be important to clearly point in the recent talk by governing body member stephan lett, that he did in fact deliberately lie concerning what he described as lies and false information by apostates, concerning the organization being permissive toward people in the organization who had been involved in pedophilia.

the truth of the matter is thats exactly what the organization has been doing and perhaps for a long time.

the recent candace conti law suit where she was awarded 28 million dollars was levied against the wts for its irresponsible behavior by the elders who gave no notification of the accused jonathan kendrick that he had been charged with pedophilia and spent months in jail for his actions .

OrphanCrow

Not only are lies told often by most people, it is also difficult to tell when someone is lying to you. I read a stat somewhere (can't find it right now...sorry) that claims that we, as humans, on average, are only able to tell 53% of the time when someone is lying to us.

So, combine someone who lies a lot with people who already cannot spot a lie very well and you have a good recipe for what maintains cult-thought and action.

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by Coded Logic in

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for a small one-time payment of your entire life of thursday nights, sunday afternoons, and recruitment work on saturday mornings - it can be yours!

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OrphanCrow

Question from a Reader:

Is the bread in the sandwiches made from Miracle Wheat?

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Lett briefly addresses the child abuse issues in new JW.org video

by Richard_I in

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i just read about this on the ex-jw subreddit.

link to the video (10m06s).. skip to 7:35 where he says: "another way we can contribute to the oneness - rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

as an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles.

OrphanCrow

When someone is guilty as hell about something and they don't know how to get out of it, their best defense is a good offense. In this case, it is their only defense.

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Splane's Anti Catholic Rant

by Listener in

a talk was given by gb member david splane in the february 2015 jw broadcasting video.

he talks about unity and sings the praises of jws.

he points his finger at the catholics and says this about them (39.32)-.

OrphanCrow

Two of the Watchtower lawyers in Germany were members of the Nazi Party. Was Hans one of the lawyers?

one of the Watchtower Society’s official representatives Hans Dollinger