Posts by OrphanCrow

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Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..

OrphanCrow

Is there any way that these 300-500 vote holders get kick backs or monetary rewards that come from profits annually?

According to the charter, and to fall in line with the requirements for non-profit organizations, they cannot receive monetary gain from profits of that organization.

But...maybe they have something to do with, not the profits, but the expenses of the organization.

I sure would be interested to know how many of them own shares or stock in paper mills, and construction companies that the WTS does business with. Or how many are in the real estate business. And let's not forget about all the money to be made in the blood industry.

Who are these 300-500 men and where do they make their money from...or their relatives?

Back in the day that Russell was the grand poobah, the Society men were invested in businesses and industries that benefited from the WTS' existence (and so did Russell - he hid his assets so Maria couldn't get them in their divorce proceedings). It was Woodworth, I believe, who owned a transport business, and Russell was invested in paper companies and the subsidiary offshoots such as turpentine and kaolin* interests.

*kaolin is a type of white clay used in paper manufacturing and turpentine is a by-product of paper manufacturing

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Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..

OrphanCrow

Brokeback - You are welcome.

The power structure of the WTS is determined by their Charter. They are legally bound to follow their Charter.

I have only ever been able to find a copy of the 1945 WTBTS Charter and I don't know what, if any, amendments have been made to the charter since that time. I have never found any other documents pertaining to their charter.

http://sj.rozcesti.org/system/files/1945_Charter_of_WTBTS.pdf

It is in the charter that one discovers that "the Society" is made up of a select group of men (300-500) and the charter also lays down the requirements for membership in that select group and how the lines of power are to be arranged.

I have never found a membership list for "The Society". Apparently, that list is as secret as their pedophile list. If anybody has a list of the men who hold Society membership, I would be interested in accessing it.

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Hemopure, what has the WT and JW Org actually said on this stuff ?

by Phizzy in

on a number of threads i have seen it mentioned that the jw scam "religion" approves the use of hemopure.. is this in print anywhere please ?.

OrphanCrow

Phizzy, check this link out:

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1203232

You may find what you're looking for there.

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Why a new "World Headquarters"?

by 4thgen in

i just dont get it.

the gb moved to patterson and are conducting business from there, right?

they are not printing as much literature as they once were and they are still operating walkill for the magazines...er a ....pamphlets.

OrphanCrow

Oubliette: Actually, one of the GB, Guy Pierce, publicly admitted at the 127th annual meeting of the Watch Tower Society, held on October 1st, 2011, that they did NOT know if it is/was Jehovah's will or not to do this.

I had said: "Yeah, they were probably waiting on a tax ruling."

I was wrong - it wasn't a tax ruling that was holding up the works... it was a court ruling concerning the property transaction that they were waiting on.

LORTERDAN PROPERTIES AT RAMAPO I, LLC, Plaintiff, v. WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC., Defendant.
United States District Court, S.D. New York.
July 9, 2012.

I guess Guy Pierce equates favorable court rulings with "Jehovah's favor". The "will of Jehovah" is governed by the will of the American court system,

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Hemopure, what has the WT and JW Org actually said on this stuff ?

by Phizzy in

on a number of threads i have seen it mentioned that the jw scam "religion" approves the use of hemopure.. is this in print anywhere please ?.

OrphanCrow

Phizzy, if you do a search of the forum's threads, you will find quite a bit of information posted by members about Hemopure and other blood substitutes.

I have my own opinion about Hemopure that is not necessarily shared by everyone. And that is that the JWs were used as a research group to facilitate the progress of artificial blood development. The Society's approval of artificial blood preceded FDA approval.

More about the FDA and artificial blood clinical trials here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/287365/blood-us-army-us-navy-watchtower-society

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Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..

OrphanCrow

halfbanana: Bro Jeramy, can you further elucidate how non gb members are able to force their hand?

I am not BroJeremy, Halfbanana, so I hope you don't mind if I throw a comment or two in here. I, too, am interested in what Jeremy has to say about your question.

It would not be difficult for the 'Society' to force their hand with the GB.

According to the 1945 Charter of the WTS, it is required that the society has a membership roll of a minimum of 300 men and a maximum of 500 men. These men are either to be appointed or nominated to the inner membership of the society. And they each hold one voting share in the society. In Russell's day, the voting shares were bought - the more a person donated, the more shares and power they had.

The GB are only the figureheads of a group of 300-500 men who comprise the Society itself. Legally, the membership of the society (that group of 300-500 men) has power - enough power to tell the 'board of directors' what to do.

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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

by Watchtower-Free in

this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

OrphanCrow

I have been giving a lot of thought about why the baptism of children is being pushed so strongly by the WTS. I have held the belief that baptizing children has something to do with defining the children as 'members' to take advantage of the "confidential information" privilege in communications with the elders.

That may be possible, but, after considering all the other changes that the WTS is making that reflect the pressure that the taxman is putting on them to fall into line of being a non-profit rather than a profit making enterprise, I now think that the child baptism is another indication of the taxman's pressure on the WTS.

The WTS needs to show a member base to the taxman to account for the donations that are required as the primary income source, in order to retain tax free status. The WTS is short of members. And I am not speaking of their worldwide growth - each and every congregation has to have members.

Just ordinary members, not clergy and not the 'minister' class that is sent out to do measurable volunteer work (the pioneers who man the carts). The elders, who used to be classified as 'members' are now the clergy. The pioneers are the volunteer work force. Those distinctions are necessary for presenting to the taxman that the JWs are a 'religious order'.

But the membership numbers are too small to support the large amounts of donations required to keep the cash cow afloat - not that the donations are necessarily too small cash wise (we don't know anything about those BIG donations that make their way into the WTS coffers) but the donations have to come from the general membership. The taxman wants the organization to be supported by the members themselves.

But first, they have to convert the children into members in order to get their membership count up. And then, they have to show the taxman that those members contribute donations. Hence, the ice cream money.

And why would they convert children instead of doing it the way they did before - look for converts door to door? Because the door to door work is ineffective - it doesn't increase the membership rolls as fast as baptizing children does.

An unbaptized publisher is not counted as a 'member' but a baptized child is.

The tax man wants 'membership' and the WTS is trolling the waters of childhood to find it - the children are yet another component in the whole tax free status game that the WTS is playing with the taxman.

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Disfellowshipping Image

by naazira in

jw
friends

this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

OrphanCrow

Alwaysbusy: Maybe my glasses are foggy, but does it look like there is a face on the right wall, next to the df'd woman?

Yes, I can see what you see. It is very vague...but it does resemble a face. Ghostly.

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Disfellowshipping Image

by naazira in

jw
friends

this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

OrphanCrow

truthseeker: What an eye you have to see these subliminal messages !!

Truthseeker, I have had years and years of practice and training in looking at images and learning how to dismantle them.

What helps is an understanding of both the formal qualities and the processes involved in producing the image. When I first approach an image such as the one we are discussing, I remove myself emotionally and subjectively from the subject matter. I don't 'see' the message of the image overall - I try to block out the subject and look at placement, line, color, shape, form...tonal qualities, etc. And then I examine the subject. After that, it a continual process of a flipping back and forth between formal qualities and what the subject matter evokes emotionally and trying to tie that into both my own cultural understandings and the cultural understandings of the one who made the image.

A cool trick that a person can do when undertaking the first step - examining the formal qualities - is to flip the photo and don't look at it from the right side up. Turn it around and upside down. Often, the subliminal images will 'pop' out of the image once your brain isn't occupied with what it can recognize easily.

Hope that helps hone your discerning eye. :)

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Disfellowshipping Image

by naazira in

jw
friends

this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

OrphanCrow

Truthseeker, this might help - look on the chair back, in between the arm rests:

sir82: Isn't her dress more or less the same shade as Monica Lewinsky's infamous "blue Gap dress"? Even if not the same shade, does "blue dress" recall that situation to mind anyway?

I like that observation. For some people, yes...the blue dress might make them think of Monica.

MuddyWaters, you just 'owned' that image - you own the power! Isn't dismantling and reconstructing image meaning fun? The power of the image is yours - the WTS can't own you anymore.