Phizzy, check this link out:
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1203232
You may find what you're looking for there.
OrphanCrow
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Hemopure, what has the WT and JW Org actually said on this stuff ?
by Phizzy inon a number of threads i have seen it mentioned that the jw scam "religion" approves the use of hemopure.. is this in print anywhere please ?.
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Why a new "World Headquarters"?
by 4thgen ini just dont get it.
the gb moved to patterson and are conducting business from there, right?
they are not printing as much literature as they once were and they are still operating walkill for the magazines...er a ....pamphlets.
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Oubliette: Actually, one of the GB, Guy Pierce, publicly admitted at the 127th annual meeting of the Watch Tower Society, held on October 1st, 2011, that they did NOT know if it is/was Jehovah's will or not to do this.
I had said: "Yeah, they were probably waiting on a tax ruling."
I was wrong - it wasn't a tax ruling that was holding up the works... it was a court ruling concerning the property transaction that they were waiting on.
LORTERDAN PROPERTIES AT RAMAPO I, LLC, Plaintiff, v. WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC., Defendant.
United States District Court, S.D. New York.
July 9, 2012.I guess Guy Pierce equates favorable court rulings with "Jehovah's favor". The "will of Jehovah" is governed by the will of the American court system,
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Hemopure, what has the WT and JW Org actually said on this stuff ?
by Phizzy inon a number of threads i have seen it mentioned that the jw scam "religion" approves the use of hemopure.. is this in print anywhere please ?.
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OrphanCrow
Phizzy, if you do a search of the forum's threads, you will find quite a bit of information posted by members about Hemopure and other blood substitutes.
I have my own opinion about Hemopure that is not necessarily shared by everyone. And that is that the JWs were used as a research group to facilitate the progress of artificial blood development. The Society's approval of artificial blood preceded FDA approval.
More about the FDA and artificial blood clinical trials here:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/287365/blood-us-army-us-navy-watchtower-society
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Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..
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halfbanana: Bro Jeramy, can you further elucidate how non gb members are able to force their hand?
I am not BroJeremy, Halfbanana, so I hope you don't mind if I throw a comment or two in here. I, too, am interested in what Jeremy has to say about your question.
It would not be difficult for the 'Society' to force their hand with the GB.
According to the 1945 Charter of the WTS, it is required that the society has a membership roll of a minimum of 300 men and a maximum of 500 men. These men are either to be appointed or nominated to the inner membership of the society. And they each hold one voting share in the society. In Russell's day, the voting shares were bought - the more a person donated, the more shares and power they had.
The GB are only the figureheads of a group of 300-500 men who comprise the Society itself. Legally, the membership of the society (that group of 300-500 men) has power - enough power to tell the 'board of directors' what to do.
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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again
by Watchtower-Free inthis is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.
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OrphanCrow
I have been giving a lot of thought about why the baptism of children is being pushed so strongly by the WTS. I have held the belief that baptizing children has something to do with defining the children as 'members' to take advantage of the "confidential information" privilege in communications with the elders.
That may be possible, but, after considering all the other changes that the WTS is making that reflect the pressure that the taxman is putting on them to fall into line of being a non-profit rather than a profit making enterprise, I now think that the child baptism is another indication of the taxman's pressure on the WTS.
The WTS needs to show a member base to the taxman to account for the donations that are required as the primary income source, in order to retain tax free status. The WTS is short of members. And I am not speaking of their worldwide growth - each and every congregation has to have members.
Just ordinary members, not clergy and not the 'minister' class that is sent out to do measurable volunteer work (the pioneers who man the carts). The elders, who used to be classified as 'members' are now the clergy. The pioneers are the volunteer work force. Those distinctions are necessary for presenting to the taxman that the JWs are a 'religious order'.
But the membership numbers are too small to support the large amounts of donations required to keep the cash cow afloat - not that the donations are necessarily too small cash wise (we don't know anything about those BIG donations that make their way into the WTS coffers) but the donations have to come from the general membership. The taxman wants the organization to be supported by the members themselves.
But first, they have to convert the children into members in order to get their membership count up. And then, they have to show the taxman that those members contribute donations. Hence, the ice cream money.
And why would they convert children instead of doing it the way they did before - look for converts door to door? Because the door to door work is ineffective - it doesn't increase the membership rolls as fast as baptizing children does.
An unbaptized publisher is not counted as a 'member' but a baptized child is.
The tax man wants 'membership' and the WTS is trolling the waters of childhood to find it - the children are yet another component in the whole tax free status game that the WTS is playing with the taxman.
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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Alwaysbusy: Maybe my glasses are foggy, but does it look like there is a face on the right wall, next to the df'd woman?
Yes, I can see what you see. It is very vague...but it does resemble a face. Ghostly.
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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OrphanCrow
truthseeker: What an eye you have to see these subliminal messages !!
Truthseeker, I have had years and years of practice and training in looking at images and learning how to dismantle them.
What helps is an understanding of both the formal qualities and the processes involved in producing the image. When I first approach an image such as the one we are discussing, I remove myself emotionally and subjectively from the subject matter. I don't 'see' the message of the image overall - I try to block out the subject and look at placement, line, color, shape, form...tonal qualities, etc. And then I examine the subject. After that, it a continual process of a flipping back and forth between formal qualities and what the subject matter evokes emotionally and trying to tie that into both my own cultural understandings and the cultural understandings of the one who made the image.
A cool trick that a person can do when undertaking the first step - examining the formal qualities - is to flip the photo and don't look at it from the right side up. Turn it around and upside down. Often, the subliminal images will 'pop' out of the image once your brain isn't occupied with what it can recognize easily.
Hope that helps hone your discerning eye. :)
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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OrphanCrow
Truthseeker, this might help - look on the chair back, in between the arm rests:
sir82: Isn't her dress more or less the same shade as Monica Lewinsky's infamous "blue Gap dress"? Even if not the same shade, does "blue dress" recall that situation to mind anyway?
I like that observation. For some people, yes...the blue dress might make them think of Monica.
MuddyWaters, you just 'owned' that image - you own the power! Isn't dismantling and reconstructing image meaning fun? The power of the image is yours - the WTS can't own you anymore.
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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Xanthippie: OrphanCrow mentioned that blue woman's dress has been shortened digitally. When I was in it was normal for women to wear skirts and dresses on the knee. Now having seen the pictures reproduced on here from Watchtowers it seems that JW women now wear clothes almost down to the ground.
After some of these comments, and considering that I make the claim that this image was a photo taken years ago and then altered with tonal values and color...I now will amend that initial thought.
You are right, Hippie, the skirt may not have been altered. In the 60s and 70s, the big struggle was to get JW girls to lengthen their dresses to mid kneecap. Of course, the fashion rage at the time was micro minis. The knee length was horribly old fashioned.
The woman in blue would not have been out of place in the KH I attended during the 60s. I have photos of my mom dressed in a sleeveless dress at least that short at a summer convention in '63/4.
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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OrphanCrow
You are welcome, Millie, and thank you for engaging with me in this life long obsession of mine - image making.
I think my obsession stems back as long as I remember. As a little girl, the images in books 'talked' to me long before the letters lined up and made sounds. I have always been intensely interested in 'the image' and have made image construction and deconstruction my life's vocation.
Of course, the text became powerful, and I have spent my share of time in obsessing about textual deconstruction. Like many here, I recognized that the WTS' manipulation of text was apparent and deliberate. After all, that is what the JWs are - a 'textual community', held together by text issued from the WTS. The text holds power - and the Word was God.
But it is within the image that the language of power is manifested - it is the image seen in the past that we can bring most readily to mind. I can easily bring up the image of Adam in the garden from the Paradise book, or the heel crushing a serpent head, the field of skulls and the 4 horsemen, etc, etc. I remember each and every illustration in that book. But I cannot recall a full page of text from the Paradise book.
And that is why I think that image deconstruction is such a critical part of deprogramming the WTS mind control. Once we gain control of the image, we can gain control of our brains again.
This particular image we are discussing, and obsessed with, is fascinating - it has been through several processes to emerge in its present form, it was once a photograph, a tiny millisecond in time. And the alteration of the coloring has extended the time it portrays...we have past, present and future in this image.
The layers of deconstruction in this image are many and complex.
I already did think they were slightly manipulative and I thought some of it was bumblefous behavior and like a stopped clock -that still happens to be right twice a day, I thought they were just happening to get it right (the manipulation).
I have given some thought to that, Millie. I have studied WT images for hours and hours, and tried to place them into an objective context - which is hard to do at times when the emotional attachment has a good grip.
As a child, I used to think that the WT images well so well done. But, now I see the clumsiness in the execution of some of them. And I would not be surprised if that clumsiness is deliberate. It masks the deliberate manipulation that the propaganda image has been subjected to. It gives it an 'honesty appeal'. when, in reality, the image is anything but honest. If the images were too slick, people wouldn't trust them.
