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  Blondie's CommentsYou Will Not Hear at the 06-30-2013

  by blondie in

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  SAHS

  Hey everyone, I have a great idea! All of us should send a copy of that infamous picture on page 29 in the April 15, 2013 study edition of the Watchtower under the heading “THE EARTHLY PART OF JEHOVAH’S ORGANIZATION INCLUDES:” by email and printed copy by mail to as many church and media offices as we can.

  We should include a very simple cover letter saying that we feel compelled to show them something they have a right see – something which is distasteful and offensive to any follower of Jesus Christ and which reveals the arrogant and power-hungry nature of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who promote great disrespect to our Lord and Savior by attempting to take his rightful place as the Mediator and Messiah of all humanity.

  The recipients of this should include local and national radio, television, and newspaper, as well as some major churches. That ridiculous picture is most appropriate to show to people, as they have a right to be aware of just how condescending the Watchtower is to Jesus.

  It would be great if some churches would provide copies of that picture to their parishioners so they can be forewarned and armed with it, to be prepared ahead of time for the next time Jehovah’s Witnesses call on their doors. Maybe then the householder will have time to think of something to reply to them – and give them a good piece of their mind!

  Imagine if when they call, the householder just pulls out a copy of that picture and holds it right in front of the Witness’ face for a few brief seconds, and then slams the door. Wouldn’t that be sweet!
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  Have The Witnesses Changed All That Much In The Last Few Years?

  by minimus in

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  when i was in it, especially as a young person, it was rules oriented but not like it is now.

  to me, the religion is a lot more fanatical than ever before....what do you think?

  is it the same religion even as it was 20 years ago?.

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  “d”: “. . . today they seem crazy with control.”

  True. There has always been control, especially since the Rutherford regime era, but I find that the control now is actually much more petty in nature. Examples: dress and grooming, especially beards (how Satanic!); birthdays; clinking glasses; saying “bless you” after a sneeze; entertainment, including music; putting posters or pictures of your favorite music or sports celebrity (“idolizing;” i.e., “idolatry”), extracurricular activities, higher education; chat rooms; phoning/emailing/texting (especially the opposite sex or any “worldlings”), and especially the somewhat new commandments directions regarding district conventions:

  • Thou shalt only book reservations at hotels on the “approved list” of hotels which thou mayest stay at;

  • Thou shalt not leave the convention grounds during the noon lunchtime to pay for food at a restaurant, concession stand, or even a hotdog vendor on the street, and thou shalt not bring any food items bearing their commercial container or wrapping into the camp convention grounds as thou would be disloyal to thy God, Watchtower Jehovah, and lest thou might thereby stumble one of these “little ones” (new recruits victims followers worshippers of Watchtower Jehovah); and

  • Thou must not dress overly casual (i.e., no jeans or T-shirts with “worldy” slogans!) when going to a restaurant for supper after the end of the day’s sessions, and thou must wear thy convention badge to give a good witness to Watchtower Jehovah. (No relaxing too much or “letting your hair down” like the “worldlies.”)

  They’re really big on those directions. They just have to dictate where you can stay, where you can eat, and what you can wear. When you tell people in “the world” about that, they give you a very quizzical look and say, “Really?” Normal people just can’t believe how micromanaging they are about such petty things.

  Only one word comes to my mind: Cult!
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  Have The Witnesses Changed All That Much In The Last Few Years?

  by minimus in

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  when i was in it, especially as a young person, it was rules oriented but not like it is now.

  to me, the religion is a lot more fanatical than ever before....what do you think?

  is it the same religion even as it was 20 years ago?.

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  “minimus”:

  “. . . it was rules oriented but not like it is now. To me, the religion is a lot more fanatical than ever before.”

  “wizzstick”:

  “It’s about obedience to the organisation.”

  “Phizzy”:

  “The cries of "Obey (worship) the G.B " grew ever more shrill . . . It is now certainly the worst large, High Control/Mind Control "religion".”

  “punkofnice”:

  “. . . a very sterile corporation that is very controlling and corrupt.”

  “Terry”:

  “. . . the outrageously prohibitive severity in disfellowship policy. Slowly tightening its coils like an anaconda . . .”

  “franticfran”:

  “. . . it is today a domineering fear inspired organization . . .”

  “gma-tired2”:

  “. . . tightening of following rules from late 60's lightened some in 70's and have become out of control since the 80s.”

  “LongHairGal”:

  “. . . the religion has become more controlling and cult-like.”

  “Adventurousone”:

  “. . . the noose is getting tighter”

  “Vidiot”:

  “. . . an escalation of extremist behavior . . .”

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  All very interesting – and spot-on! In all the above selected comments – which, as I see it, serve to candidly take the “pulse” of the organization as a whole, from a general perception – there seems to be a common and reoccurring theme so indicative of a cult structure: control, control, and more control. (I.e., control!)

  I just can’t help but bring to my mind the scripture at Revelation 17:6: “And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.” That scripture is referring to the “great harlot” (vs. 1) – and notice that she is drunk with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

  Surely this describes such false prophets and disingenuous religious outfits we see today – who are really drunk on power (there’s that control thing again). It must be some kind of psychological/sociological drive for some folks to get off on having power and control over others, any which way they can!
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-23-2013 WT Study (MAKE SURE)

  by blondie in

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  organization?.

  organization!

  organization.

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  “bennyk”:

  “The pre-1914 volumes of Studies in the Scriptures , The Finished Mystery, Millions Now Living Will Never Die!, The Harp of God, and virtually any Watchtower prior to 1950 will really 'provide intriguing insight into the Organisation.'”

  That’s for sure! Viva la Internet! It’s a true gift from God.
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  Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!

  by goatshapeddemon in

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  so, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!

  first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.

  he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.

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  “DeWandelaar”:

  “Soooo "Apostates" are WORSE then child-abusers since they ARE condemned.”

  Actually, I can see why the GB would have so much fear and hate toward “apostates” – it is because “apostates” have peeked at “the man behind the curtain” and seen that “the emperor has no clothes” – and they are apt to let others know what they have seen.

  As for the child abusers, the WT agents are careful not to make a fuss – after all, truth be told, many of those child abusers turn out to be their cherished elders/overseers. Wouldn’t want to draw any negative attention/publicity back to the WT, now would we? . . . . Hush, now. Nobody must know. . . . . Shhhhhh.
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  They (The GB & Society) Just Don't Get It!

  by minimus in

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  they live in a make believe world.

  they live in la-la land, in story land.. it is embarrassing to realize how uneducated and dumb they sound.. they pride themselves in being ignorant while living their life in this "world".. it's too bad so many witnesses drink the koolaid and prefer to stop exercising their brains..

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  They’re similar to the nation of North Korea: they’re living wrapped up in a sealed box – a box of their own making, and a rather small one at that.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-23-2013 WT Study (MAKE SURE)

  by blondie in

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  organization?.

  organization!

  organization.

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  “For example, thousands volunteer

  to assist with Kingdom Hall and Assembly

  Hall construction, to help those affected

  by natural disasters or who are

  facing medical emergencies, to organize

  our assemblies and conventions, and to

  teach theocratic schools, just to name

  a few activities that go on behind the

  scenes.”

  It is true that there are many JW folks working and sweating to further the cause of the JW movement, but all of that just seems a bit self-serving for the WT empire. They build, build, build, and preach, preach, preach, but that is really so they can grow, grow, grow – demographically and financially.

  Where does helping the poor and unfortunate (like the homeless or addicts), and general disaster relief efforts for everyone in the community (including non-JWs) – tangible works of love – come in?

  As for assisting those “facing medical emergencies,” we all know what that is about – the Hospital Liaison Committee is supposed to be informed as soon as possible whenever a JW is facing any kind of surgery or medical situation where there is a chance that blood might be an issue so they can arrange a group of “supporters” (pushy thugs) to convene at the hospital to pressure the heck out of the poor patient and/or their family to ensure compliance with the WT policy.

  They certainly are much more concerned with all of that than practicing that love thing taught by that Jesus fellow. By their fruits – and priorities – they make themselves known.
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  Any JWs on here that still believe?

  by cognac in

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  it would be nice to start a thread with those people to reason things over in the bible.

  no name calling, no putting others down, etc.

  it would be nice to show this to my husband without him seeing things like, "if you were a real jw, you would not be on here to begin with.

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  “exwhyzee”:

  “Someone on here used the term Arm-A-Giddy-Bum instead of saying Armegeddon.”

  I think that a more accurate word or term to describe Armageddon would be to just press the space bar a few times – just like the actual Armageddon of which it describes, there is simply nothing there; it doesn’t exist!
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  So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?

  by BU2B in

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  so ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.

  the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.

  what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?

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  “Shador”:

  “If the brothers keep going out to eat, the in-stadium concessions vendors will make a stink and want to be allowed to open. That would introduce a "worldly atmosphere"”

  That is it. I think, to put it simply: C O N T R O L !

  They don’t want “worldly” TM people (future manure) defiling their little “spiritual paradise” TM . Just the JWs even seeing these “worldly” TM people would subconsciously remind them of how different their cult is made to be from everyone else, and thus the spell might be broken.

  I don’t really think the money is as strong a point really because the WT can always do a good job at inducing guilt in that department (it’s one of the hallmarks of their methods of operation, isn’t it?).

  In terms of being tempted to play hookey in the afternoon, once a few years ago at lunch I actually got drunk at a nearby bar, then bought a pack of cigarettes and smoked some, and then took a local bus for a little ride just for a little excursion. True story! I came back to the sessions a bit later and sat with my parents somewhat reeking of alcohol.

  Another occasion – also true story – I went to a later convention alone (I was sick for the first one) and ended up getting so hammered that some attendants radioed the district overseer, who actually called my parents to come and bring me home. Not a proud moment for my family, for sure!

  I’m proud to say that I’ve been successfully recovering in AA, which has put a permanent end to those particular shenanigans. (No more unpleasant surprises for my folks.)
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  Why do JWs stay despite doubts & discoveries about JW Beliefs?

  by ProfCNJ in

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  if we are going to create a pie chart with the following categories, what could be the main components-reasons and their respective percentages for just staying in the organization in spite of the doubts, discoveries about the jw doctrines/beliefs?

  i doubt if the topmost reason is because of love of jehovah god and his son jesus christ.

  your inputs dear friends and fellow brothers will be most appreciated.. a. below 40 years old.

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  “ProfCNJ”:

  FOR MY FAMILY:

  B. 40 years old and above

  1) Concern about Family's Reaction - 10%

  2) Friends & social connections/well-being

  (and the fear of losing them all because of shunning) - 10%

  3) Love of Jehovah God and His Son - 60%

  4) Love of the worldwide brotherhood - 5%

  5) Fear of destruction in Armageddon - 15%

  6) Discomfort in moving to another religion/sect - 0%

  7) Others __________________________ 0%

  Total 100%

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  FOR MYSELF:

  B. 40 years old and above

  1) Concern about Family's Reaction - 100%

  2) Friends & social connections/well-being

  (and the fear of losing them all because of shunning) - 0%

  3) Love of Jehovah God and His Son - 0%

  4) Love of the worldwide brotherhood - 0%

  5) Fear of destruction in Armageddon - 0%*

  *[used to be more like 90%, until I investigated matters]

  6) Discomfort in moving to another religion/sect - 0%

  7) Others __________________________ 0%

  Total 100%