objectivetruth The Oldest part is the book of the Watchers. It seems that it was written in the third century BCE. Of course, it could have suffered of interpolations. But as you noticed, it could be the source of many doctrines and concepts. For instance, the names of the Archangels, the concept of "son of man". I wonder why the book was totaly rejected, if it was considered as scripture in the second century.
opusdei1972
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some thing to consider for bible believers
by Crazyguy inthe oldest in tact bible found is the codex voronicus, (miss spelled) and the oldest writings ever found were the greek septuagint written by jews in alexandria.
both of these collections of writings included the apocryphal and other writings like chapters and other verses of daniel not included in the jw bible.
so the question one must ask, is if your a bible believer how can you just throw out these writings, because reading these additional writings will change your understanding of what you have learned?.
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For Bible believers-Inspired Bible?
by JWdaughter inone issue i have with declaring the bible an entirely inspired work from god is the bit in the ot about killing girls who were "proven"to not be virgins on their wedding night-by stoning them.
the absence of blood on the sheet or cloak was considered entirely valid proof that they were immoral and so they were to be stoned.. that is scientifically invalid.
not all girls bleed when they lose their virginity-in fact, the more skilled the partner, the less likely that they will bleed at all.
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There was no inspiration. This was a false religion.
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some thing to consider for bible believers
by Crazyguy inthe oldest in tact bible found is the codex voronicus, (miss spelled) and the oldest writings ever found were the greek septuagint written by jews in alexandria.
both of these collections of writings included the apocryphal and other writings like chapters and other verses of daniel not included in the jw bible.
so the question one must ask, is if your a bible believer how can you just throw out these writings, because reading these additional writings will change your understanding of what you have learned?.
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I think we must include the book of Enoch in the Catholic Bible (as well as other books). The book of Enoch is quoted by Jude and 2 Peter. However, Jehovah's Witnesses follow the Protestant's canon. Note how they argue against the Apocrypha in the Insight Book vol. 1 (it-1 pp. 120-125):
The internal evidence of these Apocryphal writings weighs even more heavily against their canonicity than does the external. They are completely lacking in the prophetic element.
Ohhh, really?, Was not the book of Enoch prophetic? What about the false prophecies of Ezekiel against Tyre and Egypt ?
Their contents and teachings at times contradict those of the canonical books and are also contradictory within themselves. They are rife with historical and geographic inaccuracies and anachronisms.
Ohh, really?....What about the geographic inaccuracies in Mark?, What about the many contradictions found in the entire canonical books of the Bible? see some of them here : http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm
The writers in some cases are guilty of dishonesty in falsely representing their works as those of earlier inspired writers.
OOOhhh, was the writer of the book of Daniel honest with his identity? How could he tell us that the son of Nabuchadnezzar was Belshazzar? The Jewish Encyclopedia says: "Nor would a contemporary of Nebuchadnezzar and his successors have written the stories of the Book of Daniel in the form in which they exist, since they contain many details that can not be harmonized with the data furnished in other historical sources."
The Watchtower shows its great ignorance.
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Need help understanding scriptues in Mathew. just trying to show my wife the BORG is soooo wrong
by goingthruthemotions inas you know i am still in but have no strong conviction for this cult..but i still go because my wife is still asleep to the false teachings.
for a few months now...when we have family study it is stricly from the bible.
which is great, while we study we are taking the bible as it is, i think it is opening her eyes and how important jesus is.
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goingthruthemotions I currently don't believe that the Bible is inerrant. However, The Watchtower Society says that it follows the Bible. Ok, let us play with its own rules. The Witnesses teach that the Great Crowd mentioned in chapter 7 of the book of Revelation, is an earthly class of inferior christians. So, the final destiny of the Great Crowd is the earth. The Governing Body says that the majority of the Witnesses belong to the Great Crowd, so they can't eat the bread and drink the wine in the Lord's Supper, because they are not in the New Covenant. However, this is a pretty lie. If you read the book of Revelation in the original language, you will note that the place in which the Great Crowd is seen, in Rev 7:15, is the sanctuary of the heavenly temple of God. The greek word for sanctuary is NAOS, and this is the final destiny of the Great Crowd according to Rev 7:15, which is in heaven (see Rev 11:19; and Rev 14:17). Nevertheless, the Governing Body is misleading their followers in this issue.
Please, read the following article, which will show you how dishonest is the Watctower Society in this respect :
Feel free to ask me, if you have questions.
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Volunteering.
by Jeannette insince i left the watchtower a couple of years ago, i started volunteering 3 hours a week at a wecare center.
it's like goodwill.
well, i've been there approximately 9 months, and yesterday i received a lovely thank you card from them.
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The Witnesses think that they are the only loving organization and you will not find brotherly love in other place. But the truth is the contrary.
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What I'm going to say to JWs offering the JW.org tract
by baltar447 inlisten guys, one month i had some bible thumpers knocking at me door telling me about hell.
then i have some weird fundamental religious sponsored "education books for parents to help their children in school".
the next i have some south korean mother god cult come to my door with qr codes on their literature too.
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You may ask them: "Is your God a God of Love?", so they surely will answer: "Yes, Jehovah God is Love. " Then you may ask: "Can you explain me the following verse?":
"Attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants" (First Samuel 15:3).
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Hello
by lurkernomore ini thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).
as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.
around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.
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lurkernomore : Did you know that the Society was not Spirit-directed ? Even Joseph Rutherford taught that no holy spirit was directing the Society:
“But when the Lord Jesus comes to his temple and gathers his approved ones into the temple, is there any further need for the office of the holy spirit as a helper and advocate? If not, then the advocacy of the holy spirit would there cease. Jesus, being in the temple and with his chosen ones, would act for them directly.” (Watchtower, September 1, 1930 p. 263)
“It would seem that there would be no necessity for the ‘servant’ to have an advocate such as the holy spirit, because the ‘servant’ to have an advocate is in direct communication with Jehovah and as Jehovah’s instrument, and Christ Jesus acts for the entire body.” (Watchtower, September 1, 1930 p. 263)
“After the holy spirit as an advocate or paraclete ceased to function in behalf of the consecrated, then the angels are employed in behalf of those who are being made ready for the kingdom. ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all they ways’ -Ps. 91:11″ (Preservation, 1932 p. 51-52)
“By his spirit, the holy spirit, Jehovah God guides or leads his people up to a certain point of time, and thus he did until the time when ‘the comforter’ was taken away, which would necessarily occur when Jesus, the Head of his organization, came to the temple and gathered unto himself those whom he found faithful when he, as the great Judge, began his judgment, in 1918.” (Preservation, 1932 p. 193-194)
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Jehovah's Witnesses on vaccination (let's remember)
by opusdei1972 inthis a excerpt from the article "the sacredness of human blood (why vaccination is unscriptural)", the golden age, february 4, 1931, page 294.. .
the following is an excerpt from the article: "vaccination---why not?
", the golden age, february 4, 1931, page 298.. .
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Did Holy Spirit direct the Society to decree vaccinations were unchristian for a period of time, and later say they were acceptable? For followers who are trained to accept everything coming from the Organization as food from Jehovah, this has potentially led to needless loss of Witness lives.
In fact, the President of the Watchtower Society, Joseph Rutherford, taught that no holy spirit was directing the Society:
“After the holy spirit as an advocate or paraclete ceased to function in behalf of the consecrated, then the angels are employed in behalf of those who are being made ready for the kingdom. ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all they ways’ -Ps. 91:11″ (Preservation, 1932 p. 51-52)
“By his spirit, the holy spirit, Jehovah God guides or leads his people up to a certain point of time, and thus he did until the time when ‘the comforter’ was taken away, which would necessarily occur when Jesus, the Head of his organization, came to the temple and gathered unto himself those whom he found faithful when he, as the great Judge, began his judgment, in 1918.” (Preservation, 1932 p. 193-194)
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Jehovah's Witnesses on vaccination (let's remember)
by opusdei1972 inthis a excerpt from the article "the sacredness of human blood (why vaccination is unscriptural)", the golden age, february 4, 1931, page 294.. .
the following is an excerpt from the article: "vaccination---why not?
", the golden age, february 4, 1931, page 298.. .
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williamhconley: As you pointed out, the Society knew for many years that vaccination was OK, but the Watchtower did not want to admit it publicly.
A famous ex-witness who wrote a book exposing the history of the Watchtower wrote me the following:
I remember well how this was enforced. As a boy, my grandfather was very angry with the Golden Age. He was a medical doctor, and it was as much because of vaccination as anything that he refused to become a Bible Student or Witness. I have a letter to him from a physician in Michigan who told him - in answer to a letter that he had written - to ignore the Witnesses; they were just fanatics.
When I moved to Arizona in 1948, Witnesses regularly put lemon juice on their arms after being vaccinated when coming from or going into Mexico. However, the society began to forget about vaccination - as Macmillan points out - when it affected young men in prisons for refusing military service and when the society began to send missionaries abroad. Undoubtedly, Knorr and other high Watchtower officials were vaccinated. Otherwise they couldn't have traveled to Latin America or Asia. Yet curiously, the society failed to tell the Witness community that vaccinations were okay for many years. What absolute hypocrites! -
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Jehovah's Witnesses on vaccination (let's remember)
by opusdei1972 inthis a excerpt from the article "the sacredness of human blood (why vaccination is unscriptural)", the golden age, february 4, 1931, page 294.. .
the following is an excerpt from the article: "vaccination---why not?
", the golden age, february 4, 1931, page 298.. .
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Interestingly, one quote says:
"All reasonable minds must conclude that it was not the eating of blood that God objected to, but bringing the blood of the beast in contact with the blood of man"
Is not a mess ??