Posts by Stirred

90

PEER PRESSURE!!! I gave in to Pioneering during August...I feel dirty...

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, i'll admit it...i am weak.... as everyone knows, the pressure to "pioneer" during "the most momentous, awesome, amazing, centenary anniversay of jesus invisble kigdom rule, & distribute tracts about a dodgy website" campaign is very strong at the moment.... also, many will have read my threads about the extreme views and expectations in our cong for "all appointed men to pioneer" etc..... every elder and ms and their families have been announced as pioneering....i mean everyone's name was read out except mine..... i was not going to do it, as i do not believe anyone should be forced...(and of course its the last thing on earth i would rather do anyway since learning ttatt).

but i am not quite ready to make the break yet, so i realised that i would stand out more if i didnt put in a form to pioneer.

yes it would make me more conspicious, and make fading harder to do...it would bring more heat on me if i didnt pioneer.. so i gave in and submitted a form.... now, of course, i'm only going to make sure i'm seen at the key field service groups etc...but then go and do something more interesting...like count blades of grass..... ahh....i feel hypocritical to myself now......

Stirred

Service out of compulsion, hmmmm......reminds me of the Bible story of Jonah.

i would say that if you or others are moved to go in service/pioneer and follow through with your word (see example of Jonah) even though you did so under compulsion, then ues, your service counts. i think you'd enjoy it more if you were a "cheerful giver" but I would not discount the good vibesfrom keeping your word or honestly reassessing upfront. Your word and actions reflects who you are. Focus on being the best, true you.

If you do not go in service or report due to conscientiously objecting, as I think is my position right now, you can consider it time to refocus and clear the mind fog an all these matters. Jesus and apostles took time away from people to process, pray, find peace.

Many issues are afflicting me right now but morals and ethics are not. They are the ever-shining bright rightness in the world for me - kindness, mercy, love, truth......

This process is helping me find my voice to add to the courage I feel to say "no" and not have to explain myself to those who do not sincerely care or just want to judge and/or condemn me rather than help me.

As for integrity, I don't see logic in slamming most/all witness due to some individuals having questionable integrity. I'd say all humans have issues......and leave it at that.

90

PEER PRESSURE!!! I gave in to Pioneering during August...I feel dirty...

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, i'll admit it...i am weak.... as everyone knows, the pressure to "pioneer" during "the most momentous, awesome, amazing, centenary anniversay of jesus invisble kigdom rule, & distribute tracts about a dodgy website" campaign is very strong at the moment.... also, many will have read my threads about the extreme views and expectations in our cong for "all appointed men to pioneer" etc..... every elder and ms and their families have been announced as pioneering....i mean everyone's name was read out except mine..... i was not going to do it, as i do not believe anyone should be forced...(and of course its the last thing on earth i would rather do anyway since learning ttatt).

but i am not quite ready to make the break yet, so i realised that i would stand out more if i didnt put in a form to pioneer.

yes it would make me more conspicious, and make fading harder to do...it would bring more heat on me if i didnt pioneer.. so i gave in and submitted a form.... now, of course, i'm only going to make sure i'm seen at the key field service groups etc...but then go and do something more interesting...like count blades of grass..... ahh....i feel hypocritical to myself now......

Stirred

SIR2 - Why put yourself in a position to lie? Just back out so you can have a Clearer conscience. However, if you are comfortable strategizing how to sabotage their oranizational arrangments for conducting this campaign, and putting yourslef in a position to be dishonest.....strategically, it is no one's business but yours and is between you and Jehovah.

As a still-in JW who is doubting and having issues with the hypocrits I see at the hall, and among the appointed ones, your stand reminds me of what has led me, in part, to where I am now.....seeing and or hearing about hypocrisy among the appointed - MS, Elders, Etc.

I'm having troubel with all of this myself, but for my own conscience, I cannot put myself in a position to lie. I never liked titles, so never subscribed to pursuing AP or P even if I had the hours. Now, I cannot bring myself to do any FS as I cannot make sense of where I am right now with answering certain questions if asked. I am still firm on faith in God and Jesus, but I'm seeing too much hypocrisy, legalism, ignoring of atrition rate/elderly/sick (unless they are e/e-w/ms/ms-w).

My fade strategy is not working too well. I am feel I'm being pushed to just not attend so I can avoid all the questions. I just can't seem to keep my mouth shut but I'm working on it. I am where I am and I fully embrace it for better or worse. I just don't want to be DA or DF but I will not be coerced to do FS if I am not comfortable. PERIOD.

Vindictive thoughts can be amusing sometimes, but really is doing something vindictive the morally correct thing to do? Even if you are mad, no longer believe, or confused, why add to potential internal conscience issues? Why not be true to yourself without compromising your integrity?

To clarify, it is not the placing of JW Facts with people that I oppose, it is taking territory you know you will not use or use in a way differently than you made clear your intention was. That is not being true. Why not just back out. If you want to spread JWFacts, you can do it anytime you want, with your own territory. Let them do what they want with their literature and just choose not to have a part. That is what I am doing.

Live and let live.

12

New Direct Donation Link on JW.org

by Stirred in

i have been offline for a bit while implementing "phase move.

" i just logged into jw.org to find out times/locations for local kh to choose from (needed for phase 2 ).

after logging in, i find the usual options plus a new option i didn't know was added..... my preferences.

Stirred

to 'Stuckinarut2' - he didn't say last sentence... My exaggeration. But he did say our making our full share, regular donation, mad us "right" with God even if we were not as active in service. They spent tome letting us know about how much each of us should donate ona per meeting basis to keep the amount sounding low. My notes show $10.89 per publisher (baptized or not) was required per meeting to keep up with hall's financial commitments, includong donating to HQ.

i checked put the link you SuperBoy. It is rather overt. Perhaps U.S. Version will move to homepage one day too.

12

New Direct Donation Link on JW.org

by Stirred in

i have been offline for a bit while implementing "phase move.

" i just logged into jw.org to find out times/locations for local kh to choose from (needed for phase 2 ).

after logging in, i find the usual options plus a new option i didn't know was added..... my preferences.

Stirred

The donation link is not yet on the public home page. It is only visible after logging in. I not so subtle reminder to donate if you hadn't done so at meeting, convention or assembly. Or maybe to encourage more so you can be traced as a good donor. I remember when I was first reaching my limit many months ago now when local needs talk conducter stated that our donations are as important as field service. You read it right, AS IMPORTANT as field service. He went even further to state that your donation made you "right" with God. So if you've been a slacker in other areas of service or meeting attendance, etc. you can make up for it with a big check.

12

New Direct Donation Link on JW.org

by Stirred in

i have been offline for a bit while implementing "phase move.

" i just logged into jw.org to find out times/locations for local kh to choose from (needed for phase 2 ).

after logging in, i find the usual options plus a new option i didn't know was added..... my preferences.

Stirred

Dear Stuckinarut -

i am not an elder...just plain r&f "sis" who is in midst of great change and questioning, but still believe in God and Jesus You can find this new link after you Login for general Witnipess. you will find link to login st JW.org home page. I rhink top right corner. If you have never logged in before, you can register. It allows you to find locations of meetings or conventions.....and now to donate to "mother."

Dera WT Wizard - i don't intend to use this link....ever. i agree that holding some precious metals is wise.....wiser if done many years ago as the barrier to enter is quite high now. I think all should avoid debt anywhere if possible. I bet soon we may see PayPal offered as another option.

12

New Direct Donation Link on JW.org

by Stirred in

i have been offline for a bit while implementing "phase move.

" i just logged into jw.org to find out times/locations for local kh to choose from (needed for phase 2 ).

after logging in, i find the usual options plus a new option i didn't know was added..... my preferences.

Stirred

Hello -

I have been offline for a bit while implementing "phase move." I just logged into JW.org to find out times/locations for local kh to choose from (needed for phase 2 ).

After logging in, I find the usual options plus a NEW option I didn't know was added....

MY PREFERENCES

- My Password

- My User Profile

- My Donations

Obviously I missed the announcement....one way or the other....and maybe also missed prior postings here. I don't know why, but this surprises me especially since I see cards listed that are not debit-related and it seems like it may be saying okay to using debt-based cards vs. debit cards. I guess I'm just a bit old-fashioned.....and still surprised.

It feels so.....Big Brother. Like my personal details are in there and now they will offer convenient link to donate (get it) but in this situation, I was always taught to be anonymous. It just smacks of another detail/report card I'll be tracked - not tracked by.

20

Checkmate WT!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

as a lot of you know, i am making a catalog of all the articles and quotes that the wt used to make the creation book.

i want to see all the quotes for myself, if possible.. i went to my university today, and i got some more books.. checkmate, wt!

i can now check every single quote, almost without regard to how obscure or rare the book is!.

Stirred

I look forward to hearing your results!

45

WITNESSES CAN STOP REPORTING FIELD SERVICE!

by The Searcher in

the lawyers acting on behalf of the wtbts/g.b./'mother' during a paedophile case a couple of years ago, have stated on record that - .

a) "field ministry is not controlled or monitored by the elders, the congregation, or watchtower".

b) "an individual publisher's field ministry activity, including the time and manner it is carried out, is a personal matter between the publisher and his god.".

Stirred

This post along with my own feelings that reporting field service time leads to caste system and discouragement (etc), led me to report my first zero report. I was asked diredtly by elder for report That was not turned in for prior month. I stated that I had zero (with confidence and no shame) and asked if he'd like me to hand him a slip with zero on it to confirm. He said no slip was necessary. He seemed a bit shocked. My husband was surprised though inactive.

27

I'm a target now

by Stirred in

jw
friends

well, it has come to another fork in the road.

i have been going to other meetings and skipping more.

car groups and two bros tried stopping by my house recently but i was not home or gates were locked.

Stirred

I dont want to say how old kids are.....stilll a bit uncomfortable with too much info.

my husband and i are not separating.

We have reasons and a home already where i can go - wa a rental. I will work on certifications and work and see how things go as far as if i can start making momey here enough to live support us and he will consider coming more but he loves our home and is reluctant to leave. So kids and he will go back n forth until direction becomes clearer.

I need to get away from all the crazy that keeps getting crazier.

27

I'm a target now

by Stirred in

jw
friends

well, it has come to another fork in the road.

i have been going to other meetings and skipping more.

car groups and two bros tried stopping by my house recently but i was not home or gates were locked.

Stirred

Thank you for feedback. I do feel a mess. i am currently planning to move temporarily as husband doesnt want to move. And do to work and desire, he will not fully move but says he will visit. He supports me to get away for 4-6 months and in reading what some say here about fading, I felt I need to act carefully. I dont want kh looking for me when i come back to visit or live.

i am only concerned about pleasing Jehovah, Jesus and my family And my study. My youngest is very concerned and all my kids want to go to meetings But do see the unequal treatment that member display toward my study versus us.....invite her out but not us, call and text her and invite her to parties and gatherongs, but not us.

I have only just started to talk to them a bit. I need to take baby steps and very carefully.

if i have to come back and if i have not had my cards sent to a new hall, they will still be looking for me when i come back. Why do i care? I guess it sounds easier than a confrontation and do to fact I have been very active and visible, I think a sudden change would obviously predicate some move on their part. They've already started coming by my house and trying to get to my door unexpectedly but my gate was chained. I have heard a local needs that sounded eerily like it was directed toward me....critical of certain kinds of service as currently i havent been d2d but still have bs that im transitioning to other member.

if i do nothing, i feel id be hounded and a hypocrit. Furthermore, the intense judging I feel I have experienced would be amped up And I'm already unhealthy. I dont think it would help me a bit to ramp up pressure on myself or family when im already cracking.