Posts by AnnOMaly

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Elders wont answer my questions

by gringojj in

well i had written up 30 or so questions for the elders.

i made it very easy.

ther were mostly simple questions with yes or no answers.

AnnOMaly

It is highly doubtful you will get answers to your questions, gringojj. It's rare you'll find someone who'll openly engage your questions head-on. I recently encountered similar mentality to the description IP_SEC stated. I was discussing with (presumably) an elder on another board. The answers were, 'wait on Jehovah' to correct the matter, obey the 'Slave' because the Bible says so, you are a heretic and a coward, your motives are suspect, I don't want to cast my pearls before swine, go join your heretic friends, you know the fate that will befall you, I'm not making any more replies, etc.

If the questions are seen to come from an 'apostate' source and your motives for asking them can be classed as dark, the deflector shields can be legitimately raised and the questions, you, can be dismissed out-of-hand.

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The Big "A" is 5 Weeks Away

by LouBelle in

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so we have about 5 weeks left.

ja i couldn't believe it.

AnnOMaly

I remember one elder saying we wouldn't get through studying the 'Revelation Climax' book for the second time round before Armageddon. He was real sure of it too. There was someone else who announced from the stage that we shouldn't bother planning our vacation that year because the end was so close. Let me see ... how many years ago was that now ... ?

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Oh no! Janine Turner is the new Herpes Chick!

by Elsewhere in

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janine turner played mary margaret 'maggie' o'connell in the series northern exposure (one of my favorite shows)... recently i saw her in a commercial for restasis, a herpes medication.

i thought maybe she was just doing a one-time deal, but when i checked the restasis website (http://www.restasis.com) and there she was on the first page!

apparently she is their new primary ad actor!

AnnOMaly

Oh no! Eeuww!

Well I guess actors have to do what pays the rent until the next break. Anthony Edwards became ER's Dr. Greene; Holling Whatsisname became Dr. Greene's dad; DJ Chris has a Fat Greek wedding; Adam became that Chicago Hope doc ...

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Without the Internet. Would you still have been a active believing dub??

by Samuel Thorsen in

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perhaps i would.. struggeling with doubts of course, but going to the meetings and turning in 2 or 3 hours on my report every month like i used to.... what about you guys?

AnnOMaly

The internet has speeded it along for me. It would have been a much slower process otherwise, although I'm sure everything would have unravelled eventually. The net has also provided validation - that there are lots of others who see the same as I do - and crystalization for the main concerns about the org.

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As A JW, Did You Ever Really Love Jesus?

by minimus in

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it was always about "jehovah god".

jesus was mentioned but he was always in the background.

many religions boast of loving jesus.

AnnOMaly

Chris

LOL! I guess I set myself up for that one!

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As A JW, Did You Ever Really Love Jesus?

by minimus in

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it was always about "jehovah god".

jesus was mentioned but he was always in the background.

many religions boast of loving jesus.

AnnOMaly

El blanko

Jesus became an afterthought and the stamp I put on each little envelope of prayer sent to Jah.

LOL Very true.

Hi Eu!

How have you been?

Actually, while the NT contains many references to Christ's love, and the love that Christians should have, explicit references to love for Christ seem to be rather rare. John 8:42, John 21:15ff, and Philemon 5 were the only ones I could find.

Yes that is rather strange. The greatest commands are to love God and neighbor. Where's the love directed to Jesus in the NT, if he is the center of believers' faith? As you say: rather rare. And it's mostly John who emphasizes it. I got John 8:42; 14:15-24; 21:15f; Eph. 6:24; Philemon 5; 1 Pet. 1:7,8 as the only references. Of course, it's not an issue if Jesus = Jehovah.

Here's something I hadn't noticed before. In a recent WT article it said, "the only thing of real value that [a Christian] possesses is his relationship with Jehovah and with Jesus." Relationship with Jesus?! Huh? Do my eyes deceive me? Well on a CD-ROM investigation this phrase is not unheard of in WTS literature, but a relationship with Jesus is only mentioned about 26 times as opposed to the well over 2100 times a relationship with Jehovah is! And not all of the 'relationship with Jesus' references are relating to present-day Christians' relationship with him.

But then the question arises, how are Christians supposed to have a relationship with Jesus without talking to him?

For example, when discussing a relationship with Jehovah,

w66 10/1 p. 604 Serving with Everlasting Life in View
If we do not constantly put Jehovah before us in prayer we cannot fulfill our dedication vows, because it just is not possible to have a close, warm, personal relationship with someone unless you constantly talk to him. We all know what happens when family members stop talking to each other. Their relationship breaks up. If we were ever to allow this to happen to our relationship to Jehovah it would be fatal to our hopes of everlasting life.

And in the NT there are scant instances of talking to the post-ascension Jesus. Again, not an issue for Trinnies, but for non-Trinnies ... it throws up some inconsistencies.

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to persons in OTHER countries than USA

by donald in

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just to sastisfy my own cruisity....how popular was the rock journey...in your country...just asking...donald

AnnOMaly

Well I was a fan. In the ''Congo'' they were moderately popular. And I think they got in the top 5 once with 'Don't Stop Believin' back in '82.

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As A JW, Did You Ever Really Love Jesus?

by minimus in

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it was always about "jehovah god".

jesus was mentioned but he was always in the background.

many religions boast of loving jesus.

AnnOMaly

This reminds me of J.M. Feazell's story about the WCG (The Liberation of the WCG):

"In early 1991 my grandmother was close to the end of her life, and she knew it. ... As she and I talking in the small room of her convalescent home, I could see she had something on her mind. She put her hand on mine, looked into my eyes, and asked slowly, in her stroke-slurred speech, 'Mick ... - do you love Jesus?'
I am chagrined to say that I was uncomfortable with the question. We just didn't talk like that in the Worldwide Church of God. That was Protestant talk. Syrupy sweet. We wanted to be asked, 'Do you obey Jesus Christ?' We didn't like to say 'Jesus' without adding 'Christ.' That sounded manlier, more powerful to us. Just saying 'Jesus' sounded wimpy and sickly sweet. And now here was my stroke-stricken grandmother, whom I would not want to hurt or disappoint for the world, asking me if I loved Jesus. I could hardly get the words out, but thank God I said, 'Yes, I love Jesus, Grandma.'
'Oh, I'm so glad,' she said.
Looking back on it, it seems strange. I considered myself a Christian, but I had trouble saying 'I love Jesus.' I would die for Jesus, I thought, but don't ask me to say the words 'I love Jesus.' What kind of Christian experience teaches people to think like that?"

I know just what he means. I didn't love and appreciate Jesus as much as I do now - he was always someone (important,yes but) on the sidelines. For JWs, I think, they 'love Jehovah' and have faith in Jesus, but to say 'I love Jesus' is happy-clappy evangelical emotionalism and that doesn't sit right with the more clinical idea of the grand purpose vindicating/sanctifying God's name and sovereignty, where Jesus and other faithful are merely instruments of that great scheme.

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Weird Logic

by loosie in

let's hear the weirdest comment or suppossed logical thought you've ever heard a witness say.. i'll start: out in service once a sis and her son were in the same car group as i was.

he was having a nose bleed and told his mom that the blood was running down the back of his throat.

his mother said " well don't swallow it yo uknow how jehovah feels about blood don't you!".

AnnOMaly

a few weeks ago i was helping my grandmother in her yard and she started preaching... long story short, "you know, jesus tells the remnant (she calls them remnant but she meant the ones that are already in heaven) our prayers and they help us because they can sympathize with our weaknesses"...

It's nice to know the ol' 'Mystery doctrine' is still alive and kicking.

What's next? Praying to the saints?

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Weird Logic

by loosie in

let's hear the weirdest comment or suppossed logical thought you've ever heard a witness say.. i'll start: out in service once a sis and her son were in the same car group as i was.

he was having a nose bleed and told his mom that the blood was running down the back of his throat.

his mother said " well don't swallow it yo uknow how jehovah feels about blood don't you!".

AnnOMaly

I heard one sis say that the devil had busted her washer to stop her getting out in service that morning.