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  A Judicial experience.

  by John Aquila in

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  2. experiences

  when i was an elder in the 80s, a 16 year old baptized jw girl had confessed that at school during lunch a boy kissed her and touched her privates over her dress.

  the circuit overseer was in town and we told him of the situation and he called the society and then told us that mother said we were not allowed to conduct the funeral in the kingdom hall or anywhere else with the threat of removing us and being dealt with judicially if we disobeyed.

  the mother who is about 79 years old comes once a year to talk to my mom about the situation.

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  So you woke up not too long ago? I know so little about the people here. Are your' stories in the members section?

  I want to know why you awoke. What really happened, what was the final straw.
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  help me understand: My wife seems to be utterly detested by skelletons and skulls. Why?

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, here i am again....asking more questions to help me understand my wife.

  she was brought up in the cult in the 70's and 80's.

  so i can only imagine what kind of indoctrination she deals with.

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  In Victorian times, a skull was not an unusual thing to have in the house. Be it on the side board or even on the table. It was considered to be a reminder as to our fallibility and an inevitable end to our earthly existence.

  There is a famous Mexican painting/drawing of two women at a cafe, wearing hats. On closer inspection the image is entirely of a "skull". I found it clever and have never seen anything to match it.

  I don't know why she freaks out at skulls for we all have them, it's just ours are currently filled in with skin and cartilage.

  There were some supposed "embedded" images in some WT magazines a few years back maybe she thinks they are some sort of demonic thing. Strange thinking, considering if she didn't have one her face would not exist.
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  Getting the Urge!

  by Theburstbubble in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  evening folks, so as some of you may know we have recently decided to leave the witnesses and can see it for the man made organisation it is.

  so, why do i get the urge to go back and feel guilty for not being there!

  it's like my mind is telling me to be logical about it all but then something keeps pulling me back.. don't get me wrong i really want to break free from it all and i'm resisting the urge to go back as i have been miserable in the truth for a long time as i've known it's not right and want to do the best by my daughter.

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  I do understand what you are saying. Incredibly, insanely, I feel bad for what I am doing. I was raised as a JW... so from childhood, I thought this was the only truth. I still suffer a most unreasonable guilt, I don't understand it. I am getting help in the strangest ways. One of them is this forum. I can read what I like, comment, make a post.....it's called being able to ask a question or share a thought.

  I must sound like I am advertising for this site. I tell you. I joined over two years ago. I was terrified. I couldn't say anything, I was afraid of being attacked in some way. I'd had a nervous breakdown, for I had refused baptism at the last minute, so to speak.

  I was really alone. I had a feeling I would die. I know that sounds extreme, but it's what happened to me as I was finding out that I was in the right.

  Always feeling I did not do enough, forgive enough, work hard enough..........Oh, I'm ranting and will stop.

  Allow some of the humour you will find here to seep in. It was due to some incredibly funny posts that I actually joined. I think at the time, it was some really whacky comment about the .........." loving provision from jehovah re the new ipads and apps, that would allow people to view pornography while at the meetings....". This hit me with such a huge sense of mirth, that I kept reading it, and reading it. I was actually laughing for the first time in a long time........This irreverence was a wicked little secret I carried for some time. It had this amazingly freeing effect for me. Life had been so difficult and here I was with people who knew the WT for what it was. It took the RC for me to reveal one of the reasons I had sought the forum out.

  No. I don't want to hurt anyone. But I was hurting all the time.

  I do urge you to stay. There are some really good debates, some awful arguments, then things get patched up. If someone is trolling and bringing people down for the sake of it.............they soon find out that they are in the wrong company....Put up with the varying characters here. Some of them are extremely well versed in bible doctrine, some are just hurt and angry.....Stay.
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  New Child Abuse Lawsuit

  by maksutov in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  can't see this having been mentioned already - forgive me if i missed it and it is old news.. velicia alston brings lawsuit against watchtower (irwin zalkin representing):.

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8nmgrvlmvxo.

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  It's not that old really. Consider how many cases we may not know about. Anyway, the information is important to all of us. I might not have found this had you not posted it.

  Interesting the way the society is trying to banish this case to anther jurisdiction. I hope that the change of venue for the hearing that WT were trying to achieve, failed.
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  December 15 2015 Watchtower - Blowing a Trumpet for RNWT

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  self-praise is no praise, brooklyn!

  however, having skimmed over this latest offering - which was neither researched nor written by the f.d.s., according to geoffrey jackson's sworn testimony in oz - here is my favourite statement: .

  p. 26 par.

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  Anyone checked out the "new favourite neutral expert?" The WTBTS cites Jason David Be'Duhn, as the expert in all things translation and bible.

  They cite him this Dr BeDuhn, as a bible scholar. Go and type in his name, then look at the refutations to his claims and credentials.

  He's all WTBTS pro.......they cite him as a reference of a good example of non bias.
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  2014 for the beginning of Christ's reign; because the watchtower forgot to 'carry the 1'

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha.........love this sort of humour. It's as droll as it gets.

  You are definitely going to get roasted at the big A......
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  The studies I have had with the elder and his wife.....( RC have encouraged me to cease allowing these visits due to the anxiety I have felt for being two faced)..... have cast off the Revelation book as no longer accurate, so many other books are not remotely referred to. So they are completely distancing themselves from as many of their past writings as is possible.

  I know I have said this already, but it's been said to me by those who are very much in, that the large assemblies are cancelled here in Australia. At least in the West. When I asked why this was so, I was told that it was due to lack of funds. It is apparently too expensive to rent the venues that have always been a part of the yearly large conventions. (again, all this information was said to me before my official RC part)

  This is so interesting as all my life, whether I was attending or not, there have always been very large conventions here. Now, they are being done at the WT owned facility, a place that is really hard to get to. It's incredibly difficult for families with children and older people. Plus, I think that if any new interested ones were left to find their own way there,..it would be completely off putting......unless there is some serious conversion thingy happening.....
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  Oh, FayeDunaway, I should read your story. Sorry that I have not. I didn't know you have been cut off from your' family. This sort of simple comment makes me ache inside.

  Therefore I hope the Watchtower implodes. You should have the freedom to have your' family. I lost mine from a long time ago. Not all of them, but in the main I can say with total honesty that never in my life, have I been invited by my JW madly devoted sister to have one single meal with them. Even when I was close to baptism.

  Some are harder than others. Mostly though, they have an entrenched feeling they are breaking the GB law by having non witnesses in their homes.....
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  A small update on the ongoing investigation by the Royal Commission

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i think you people would like to know that since the public hearing has finished.

  there has been ongoing contact made to me by the staff at the rc.

  they have been inundated with calls and the same experiences or similar ones are being related.. the staff are not backwards in coming forwards with insights that they have shared.

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  I don't know what sort of shepherding is being done. It may be with a cattle prod for all I know. I think the RC just caused a bit of a reaction here in that they may be looking up some of those "women or men" who suffered or have faded. Not sure at all......still, in all it's good to know things are ticking along......
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  Whoa ! maybe it's not as good here in Oz as I thought!

  by wozza in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  found this on my facebook page that someone had posted , just a joke i hope .

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  umbertoecho

  That's just some joke, really. The Arms. are the ones hanging off the shoulders