Posts by umbertoecho

Local news Sunday re RC

by umbertoecho in

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sex-abuse-royal-commission-church-elder-reveals-seven-men-control-jehovahs-witness-teachings/story-fnii5s3z-1227483516098.

i thought you might like to know that this has not died away in a sort of one hit wonder.

it is news in a local and international sense.

umbertoecho

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sex-abuse-royal-commission-church-elder-reveals-seven-men-control-jehovahs-witness-teachings/story-fnii5s3z-1227483516098

I thought you might like to know that this has not died away in a sort of one hit wonder. It is news in a local and international sense.

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New video "Jehovah Has Done So Much for Me"

by NoIdeaWhatToBelieve in

hey all,.

have you seen the new video on http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/living-bible-principles/adult-survivor-child-abuse-video/ ?.

isn't this too much of a coincidence?

umbertoecho

Is there a word for when you laugh at something that also makes you mad?

Hysteria?

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New video "Jehovah Has Done So Much for Me"

by NoIdeaWhatToBelieve in

hey all,.

have you seen the new video on http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/living-bible-principles/adult-survivor-child-abuse-video/ ?.

isn't this too much of a coincidence?

umbertoecho

tried this when I once got a broken arm, and it healed up almost immediately.

Oh Splash, thanks for that. I'm going to do that straight away and melt those extra kilos away as I gasp the mantra............".I'm an integrity keeper", I'm gonna do that as I run along on my old old second hand stair master....

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Sydney Morning Herald Headline about Compensation for Victims May Cause JW Organization to Gasp

by steve2 in

geoffrey jackson's unfailingly diplomatic responses during friday's royal commission hearings have undoubtedly limited damage to the reputation of the jw organization - but i could never again imagine the watchtower and awake!

magazines criticizing other religions over their responses to child sexual abuse within their parishes.

too close for comfort.

umbertoecho

steve2

It doesn't matter if it's not in print. It's on the internet and can't be avoided. People are curious about this GB man and what he had to say. I think he sort of , kind of, may be'd the possibility of joining in with other organizations in redress.....He shouldn't be too hard pressed to get out of that jamb, using the "stay away from the world" scriptures.

What he won't be able to undo is that fact that in principle he had to admit there was a problem and that redress should be considered. Neither can they shred the documents now held by the RC showing such awful figures and lack of action. Neither can they say something to the contrary when re telling their version of events. It's recorded and for that I am eternally grateful to RC and those who saved the videos. I feel better about this when I think upon it.

The RC were polite to him, so that cans the wicked world of cruel unscrupulous people into the bin too. What is so perfect about all of this, is the calm and diligent manner in which the RC treated everyone. Now, I defy all witnesses to find fault with that.....

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Sydney Morning Herald Headline about Compensation for Victims May Cause JW Organization to Gasp

by steve2 in

geoffrey jackson's unfailingly diplomatic responses during friday's royal commission hearings have undoubtedly limited damage to the reputation of the jw organization - but i could never again imagine the watchtower and awake!

magazines criticizing other religions over their responses to child sexual abuse within their parishes.

too close for comfort.

umbertoecho

Watch Tower religion was banned here in Australia in the forties. They were not considered to be a genuine sort of religion but rather a sect.

Australia will do what it wants if there is no redress. They are not afraid of such moves. WT may let the witnesses flounder due to the smallish numbers of active witnesses. The society has a tax exempt status that they fear losing. The commission was an "under oath" hearing that is there to access in the future....There will be claims and the knowledge gained from these hearings will support those claims. I will watch with great interest from now on.... Especially as WTBTS had called for all funds to be marked as donations and sent to Headquarters in America. How suspicious is that!!

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Do you have any recording devices? Question at JW Judicial Committee. Can we use this weapon against them?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

what labels the watchtower judicial system as a completely kangaroo court is the secrecy in which they take place.

i was asked this question by 5 elders who sat as judges over me over the charges get this "speaking against the organization" this was truly the most kangarooie of the kangaroo courts ever.

when they first invited me to this meeting by 2 elder at my place of work i asked them what the charges were and was told speaking against the organization to which i said right the charges down on a piece of paper and sign it to which they refused.

umbertoecho

What about the "being allowed to confront your accuser" They seem to really like that one when dealing with children of abuse.

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[Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

the big day finally arrived!

these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

umbertoecho

Oh! Good one flipper, yes he did say that didn't he. The bloody idiot...

I think we will all glean so much from this video as we re watch it and take careful note. At the time of it's streaming, I was so uptight that I could hardly sit still. I was angry when Jackson started preaching. I wanted a bag of rotten fruit and him on a stage so I could toss it at him.....Later, when I was calmer, I watched and took a careful scrutiny of what actually was said and how people were positioned.

It was then I realised he had dropped the society in some good old shit.

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[Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

the big day finally arrived!

these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

umbertoecho

My thank you's are not enough either. But, thank you so much for making them as they are now a part of history that is accessible to many and can't be twisted as a written word can. I thought the entire process of live streaming was absolutely perfect.

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regarding Jacksons testimony.

by umbertoecho in

has anyone here re-watched that last day?

the part where justice mcclellan is asking mr jackson if he feels that this royal commission is a sincere effort to make some good changes in policy...?.

and does mr jackson feel it would be worth it to put a collective effort, along with other organizations to compensate or find means of redress, for the victims of child sexual abuse?.

umbertoecho

Has anyone here re-watched that last day? The part where Justice McClellan is asking Mr Jackson if he feels that this Royal Commission is a sincere effort to make some good changes in policy...?

And does Mr Jackson feel it would be worth it to put a collective effort, along with other organizations to compensate or find means of redress, for the victims of child sexual abuse?

Have a look and see what response is elicited by such questions directed at GB member Jackson.

For......Jackson could hardly say no could he? He could only say they would consider it at the very least. Then he was up against a wall and had to more or less agree that it would more than consider it......this "working alongside other organizations (and religions) to make reparation.

Those were not empty little questions people. They were perfectly prepared questions, which at the time seemed to me to be naive..Then I realised due to my emotions I had missed the point.

This was a part of the sworn testimony by a GB member, who is in control of millions of lives.....

Have a look at Angus Stewart as well. Look at how, whilst Jackson is giving his homily to the world,............Angus Stewart turns his back to him and searches documents...........Mr GB representative for God on earth, full of holy something.................Loses his concentration!!!!

How dare Stewart turn his back!! The nerve of this little upstart for not respecting him...!!

Jackson is so unravelled that he asks if they can hear him or even see him.........Of course they can hear and see him. It's just that they don't care about his status. They, the people of the RC are caring about the victims, not some well turned out executive with a gleaming superior attitude that is interchanged with sycophantic, pandering to the "superior authorities" approach.

Jackson is not used to treatment. He is not used to the casual approach of Angus, indeed, if Angus was a baptised witness.., he would take him to task for insubordination at the very next meeting.

Ah!! But he can't. Because Angus Rhodes Scholar Stewart, is not in awe and never could be in awe of such man swollen with pride and sitting, hand superstitiously clutching the Silver something as he gibbers sympathetic nothings to the RC. Angus is not impressed, Justice McClellan is sick of hearing about Jackson sick father, the woman lawyer is not intimidated........no one is. And that is the point. There are no lowly beings in this room. Those who have played God are the ones who stand to lose so much.................status.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY

by steve2 in

since geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.

it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.

more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!

umbertoecho

Angus Stewart in acting so nonchalantly was perfect to the task at hand. Someone in a prior post noticed this as well.....just getting the name it is "username" who also spotted it.

Mr Jackson is used to a publicly adoring audience. In this part of the hearing, he was just another person. That Angus had his back to Jackson at one stage when GBJackson was speaking, caused Jackson to falter. For, Jackson is not used to such casual and "at ease" body language.

Angus was often ahead of him regarding where to find scripture and Justice McClellan was as easy in his insistence that questions be answered. They, as a team were very comfortable in reviewing this entire religious policy. Go have another look at the video and see for yourself. Mr Jackson was not in control, the way he is used to being in control......