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  Could the Independent Inquiry in England and Wales expose jw.org's child abuse failures? And how can we help?

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  with all the talk about the org's policies and failures regarding child sexual abuse being publically exposed in australia, i thought that it may be a good time to highlight this... i apologise if this has already been discussed, but on the 9th of july the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales was opened.

  here is some information regarding it's aims.. "about the inquiry.

  the inquiry offers an unprecedented opportunity to examine the extent to which institutions and organisations in england and wales have taken seriously their responsibility to protect children.. the inquiry will investigate a wide range of institutions including:.

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  defender, I have already been in touch with them and they will respond soon I hope.
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  Disfellowshipping by Jehovah’s Witnesses: A Brief History - Great article

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  despite the governing bodys best efforts, members do leave the faith.

  the governing body insists there is no valid reason for leaving the religion.

  in fact, their brand new brochure, return to jehovah, lists only three reasons why someone might leave the religion: misplaced guilt, being mad at a witness, and being busy with life.. but of course, there are several valid reasons for walking away from the faith, all of which are much more damning than the sanitized reasons the watchtower society lists.

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  I know a young woman who was disfellowshipped for having a boyfriend outside of the WT parameters. She never looked better, lost weight, was a bit wild but still a lovely person. However, the lack of contact with her family and her lifetime friends was too much in the end. She told me she went back because she missed them. Interesting that she never once mentioned the pseudo-biblical reasons. No. It was loneliness that drove her back. And back onto anti-depressants; which loaded the weight back on, the ups and downs that came with the medication she had re-commenced.

  She came to see me last year and was afraid that Armageddon was literally around the next corner, next week, next month! I reminded her that no one would know the day or the hour, that this was not the right approach. I had lived in fear of death whilst trying to grow up. She couldn't understand the disconnect with real life that such a style of religion could create........She's back full on and off to where the need is greater.
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  What Just Showed Up in My Facebook Feed

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  gross!!!

  i think i'm going to be sick.

  time to unfollow & block more people... .

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  That's creature worship. They are worshipping these bastards. What is WRONG with these people?
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  Blurring of genders

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as sometimes happens at elders meetings with the co, he has a letter from the branch to read out.

  this rarely is made available later so any policies have to be acted on from memory.

  this visit a letter was read about blurring of the genders and in particular brothers dressing in a metrosexual style - tight clothing was mentioned again.

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  Spanx, spandex

  They always confuse the Spanx word, what they really mean is spank, or spanking.
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  Massive list of JW Legal, Child abuse, property holdings, related news articles..

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  just found this:.

  http://culteducation.com/group/1267-jehovah-s-witnesses.html.

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  Good on you Defender.....kissy kissy.....
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  OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

  by Paul Bonanno in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

  they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

  one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

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  Who's to say that a forum of people under the right banner of let's say......human rights could not attend...This is the point I am aiming at. I see many here who are willing to investigate and just do something...anything.

  There is no barrier to forming an "entity" with it's genuine and well-founded concerns, coming out of such forum as this. If the WTBTS can attend on the basis of human rights, re religious freedom...What is there to stop a small or large number of people from attending as well.

  There are some things that religion can no longer do, should not do...We have the same rights. We may not have the same watches and suits and some of us are women...god forbid. However, I for one am very interested in such matters as the religious freedoms that are gained versus a very very silent majority of people who are very hurt by impossible doctrines. I don't single out the WT on this. I make a broad sweep against any religion that has born in "children" who have little say in their lives.

  I would insist on "ethics" in school as a course of study. I would try to maintain balance insofar as a child has the right to not be "indoctrinated" by an end of the world scenario. that breeds hopelessness.

  I would not attempt to take away the right to a bible or the belief in God, but I would take away the right to force a child to attend meetings that breed a fear of the world of success of education....Surely there is some scope for a "group" who fought for human rights on this level. It is only fair is it not?
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  OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

  by Paul Bonanno in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

  they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

  one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

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  Not to be perverse, but I am happy to announce that there is a strong relationship between the OSCE and the United Nations. This is not surprising when we consider that the UN was formed October 24 st 1945. This was at the conclusion of the 2nd WW. I have no problems with the UN. I never have. I think they work with what they have and are often opposed. Nonetheless, the Charter is genuine and I for one believe in it.

  My interest in the WTs attendance at the OSCE, was to show that the society found a way around the embarrassing publicity of their membership with the UN. And here we have them attending a very closely aligned organization that (of course) reports back to the UN. It would be counter productive NOT to. For, information sharing in terms of what is going on with other countries, is imperative to remaining close to what may or may not be a threat...

  http://www.osce.org/networks/111477
  

  One of OSCE's closest partners is the United Nations. Co-operation was inititated in 1992, when the participating States declared the OSCE to be "a regional arrangement in the sense of Chapter VIII of the Charter of the United Nations".
  

  The wide-ranging text reaffirms the primacy of the United Nations Charter for maintaining international peace and security, but expresses the Council’s intention to expand cooperation, as appropriate, with relevant organizations.http://www.un.org/press/en/2013/sc11087.doc.htm

  
  

  
  
  
  
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  I'm sick of...

  by freemindfade in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm sick of.... ...having an elder i barely know invite himself over to my house, and bring another asshole elder with him, you know, to "see how i'm doing" f-ck them.

  ...having same elder with all insincerity approach me at the beeting and before inviting himself over, ask, "how are you doing?

  " then when i say everything is great, go ahead and invite them selves over anyway.

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  As people have said to me on my particularly vitriolic days.......Don't hold back umby, let us know how you really feel
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  Washington Post in US: Jehovah's Witnesses Face Child Sex Abuse Investigation in Australia

  by cultBgone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it's finally hit mainstream media in the us!

  let's hope some savvy investigative journalists see a pulitzer for opening up this story to cover the us and worldwide cases.. jehovahs-witnesses-face-child-sex-abuse-investigation-in-australia/2015/08/14/.

  everyone who is able should hurry up and post comments on their website as the pro-jw forces have rallied and are trying to squash this as libel.

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  Please read the "findings". There is going to be a pool of funds taken from each organization that is found guilty of coverups. Justic McClennan made this point at the beginning of this RC and asked GJackson if they would consider it. It was a loaded question. The RC may not take people to court, but how many lawyers will it make available for those who are willing to take a class action?.....Many...

  Please be optimistic. I have faith in this commission I have seen some good things come from it before. I don't mean to sound hopelessly optimistic, but I do have some small knowledge of what powers it does have.

  There is a lot at stake in a political sense if something is not done about these massive revalations. I remind you. This religion had been banned in the past.
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  "Be Generous" caleb cartoon

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  anybody see the new cartoon?

  the girl has a quarter and is going to get an ice cream but then puts it in the contribution box instead.

  the gb want to make sure they guilt and suck the kids meager allowances dry as well and prep them as they grow up to keep giving!

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  How sick, how mean, how debased. Where is the decency? Nowhere that's where.

  We shoud put a cartoon up showing the kids money being re-directed to the various law suits against frauds, sex offenders.........and such...Want me to draw one?