Posts by umbertoecho

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The "mis-truths" said by brothers during the Royal Commission.

by stuckinarut2 in

my sister said she heard several "mis truths" or dare we say, "lies" said by the brothers on the stand during the royal commission.. 1) vin toole lied when asked about the expression "theocratic warfare".

he said he was unaware of the term.

2) terry obrien lied when asked whether witnesses are free to research the organisation or free to leave without any negative consequences.. 3) geoff jackson lied when he said that the organisation doesn't run a 'police state' and doesn't criticise those who want to leave.

umbertoecho

Terrence O Brien was also called out for lying when, in his bid to dissuade the RC from ordering Geoff Jackson to appear, he downplayed GJ's role in co-running the organization, by suggesting he was mainly involved in translation.

That was such an awesome moment for me.!!!!! Not only did Stewart ignore his protestations, he continued with........' I further submit to you......" And went on to reconfirm more about the fact that the lies had been in various forms and had not been a mistake.....Justice McClellan then asked how long had Jackson been in Australia.....(O'Brien had said he wasn't sure, perhaps a week or so.....) To which Angus Stewart replied that ......" Mr Jackson had been in Australian since before the 14th of July....".

By then I couldn't sit still and was shooting of emails of gratitude to the person who is assisting me. I really love these people. They have restored my faith in "people". I had never thought the day would come in my life time when such needed exposure would arrive....I wanted to shout all over this forum. I think I went a bit mental with moments of despair and delight.....I am very very keen for this not to die down. And will always update with any information that will keep those who have not spoken yet.....strong and possibly confident of a future chance to gain a much needed platform to tell the facts, the awfully ugly facts...

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Price for Child Abuse

by vinman in

how much money do you think the watchtower will have to dish out for this scandal in australia?

umbertoecho

smiddy is quite right in some ways. I don't think there is a cash value that can reasonably apply to such abuse. However, I have discovered that when money is involved, it really ramps up the pressure on the organisation that is at risk of having to pay out.........Money causes attention to become focused on the religion that allowed such abuse to go on....it is tantamount to a nice big advertisement in the paper.....A warning. People pay attention to things like this.

My daughter's were validated by compensation, not that it will cure the abuse. One of them said. " Well, it hit them where it hurt didn't it mum?" I was pleased at this practical approach. More redress, more exposure, more WT lawyers and their slimy bullshit ways, and Australia might ban the bastards............always room for hope hey?

If this part of the redress is payout..........then good. The main one is the exposure that come's with this sort of exposure. Sadly, but truly, money does talk in such instances.

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Royal Commission of institutions into child sexual Abuse in Australia.

by smiddy in

by their own admission the jehovah`s witnesses have acknowledged to the royal commission that 1006 child sex abuse cases against members of their religion have been handled in house.. 1006 cases over 65 years , equals to more than one , every month , every month , every year , for the next 65 years.. a judicial committee consists of 3 elders ,so 3 elders handled 1006 sexual abuse cases over 65 years equals 3018 elders who know about this abuse and never contacted the authorities .either police or ,child protection services .. what sort of morals or ethics do these so called christians have ?.

smiddy.

umbertoecho

1006 paedophiles,

The total number of victims on the list submitted to the Royal Commission came to about 3,500.

Yes, important to get it clear. That figure above is the record of the "individuals" who were accused of abuse and never reported. It still merited being noted down so i would say these must have been the more "ugly" reports. The equally ugly and insidious ones may not have deserved that envelope.....

The other figure is still climbing..but is pretty well accurate...

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A small update on the ongoing investigation by the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

i think you people would like to know that since the public hearing has finished.

there has been ongoing contact made to me by the staff at the rc.

they have been inundated with calls and the same experiences or similar ones are being related.. the staff are not backwards in coming forwards with insights that they have shared.

umbertoecho

snugglebunny........how bloody typical....har har.....At least you shepherded adult sisters who were pretty.

Nuffin rong wiv abit uv fluff...........that was sharp memory from my early life in England...I..recall those corny sayings

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MANDATORY CASTRATION - Yes or No ??

by AFRIKANMAN in

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11829782/australia-considers-compulsory-chemical-castration-for-paedophiles.html

umbertoecho

Got it!!!! LOBOTOMY!! That should do the trick.........then the pit.

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MANDATORY CASTRATION - Yes or No ??

by AFRIKANMAN in

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11829782/australia-considers-compulsory-chemical-castration-for-paedophiles.html

umbertoecho

They do this here where I live. But, as the saying goes...." thought gives birth to the deed..". How will it take away the thought? The wanting power over a vulnerable one?. It's not always a matter of gratification on a physical level. There is a mind thing at play here.

I don't know what to make of it. What about this.......chuck them all in a nice deep pit together and see what happens.

Just keep them off the streets of the planet....preferably. I include women who may abuse children as well. Send them all to deep pit and let them work it out together.....

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Prof. Jason BeDuhn letter on the NWT/KIT (part 1)

by bj in

jw
friends

some days ago i asked you if someone wrote to prof j. buduhn who is quoted in the watchtower 1 february 1998, p. 32. here's what i received from him.

as every translation does.

jesus one can say "my god.

umbertoecho

Refutation of BeDuhns "Truth in Translation". by Dr Thomas A Howes

A Review of Dr Jason BeDuhn's " Truth in Translation". by Trevor R. Allen.

Just two to start with. One of the main arguments I have read is that BeDuhn lacks any linguistic doctorate, is not a linguist.....This is an important aspect in unravelling many aspects of language.

I leave it to you to have a small read, then read further. The university BeDuhn attends has distanced it'self from his work on this particular topic of the NWT. Unusual considering he is teaching there......

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A Judicial experience.

by John Aquila in

when i was an elder in the 80s, a 16 year old baptized jw girl had confessed that at school during lunch a boy kissed her and touched her privates over her dress.

the circuit overseer was in town and we told him of the situation and he called the society and then told us that mother said we were not allowed to conduct the funeral in the kingdom hall or anywhere else with the threat of removing us and being dealt with judicially if we disobeyed.

the mother who is about 79 years old comes once a year to talk to my mom about the situation.

umbertoecho

So you woke up not too long ago? I know so little about the people here. Are your' stories in the members section?

I want to know why you awoke. What really happened, what was the final straw.

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help me understand: My wife seems to be utterly detested by skelletons and skulls. Why?

by goingthruthemotions in

so, here i am again....asking more questions to help me understand my wife.

she was brought up in the cult in the 70's and 80's.

so i can only imagine what kind of indoctrination she deals with.

umbertoecho

In Victorian times, a skull was not an unusual thing to have in the house. Be it on the side board or even on the table. It was considered to be a reminder as to our fallibility and an inevitable end to our earthly existence.

There is a famous Mexican painting/drawing of two women at a cafe, wearing hats. On closer inspection the image is entirely of a "skull". I found it clever and have never seen anything to match it.

I don't know why she freaks out at skulls for we all have them, it's just ours are currently filled in with skin and cartilage.

There were some supposed "embedded" images in some WT magazines a few years back maybe she thinks they are some sort of demonic thing. Strange thinking, considering if she didn't have one her face would not exist.

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Getting the Urge!

by Theburstbubble in

jw
friends

evening folks, so as some of you may know we have recently decided to leave the witnesses and can see it for the man made organisation it is.

so, why do i get the urge to go back and feel guilty for not being there!

it's like my mind is telling me to be logical about it all but then something keeps pulling me back.. don't get me wrong i really want to break free from it all and i'm resisting the urge to go back as i have been miserable in the truth for a long time as i've known it's not right and want to do the best by my daughter.

umbertoecho

I do understand what you are saying. Incredibly, insanely, I feel bad for what I am doing. I was raised as a JW... so from childhood, I thought this was the only truth. I still suffer a most unreasonable guilt, I don't understand it. I am getting help in the strangest ways. One of them is this forum. I can read what I like, comment, make a post.....it's called being able to ask a question or share a thought.

I must sound like I am advertising for this site. I tell you. I joined over two years ago. I was terrified. I couldn't say anything, I was afraid of being attacked in some way. I'd had a nervous breakdown, for I had refused baptism at the last minute, so to speak.

I was really alone. I had a feeling I would die. I know that sounds extreme, but it's what happened to me as I was finding out that I was in the right.

Always feeling I did not do enough, forgive enough, work hard enough..........Oh, I'm ranting and will stop.

Allow some of the humour you will find here to seep in. It was due to some incredibly funny posts that I actually joined. I think at the time, it was some really whacky comment about the .........." loving provision from jehovah re the new ipads and apps, that would allow people to view pornography while at the meetings....". This hit me with such a huge sense of mirth, that I kept reading it, and reading it. I was actually laughing for the first time in a long time........This irreverence was a wicked little secret I carried for some time. It had this amazingly freeing effect for me. Life had been so difficult and here I was with people who knew the WT for what it was. It took the RC for me to reveal one of the reasons I had sought the forum out.

No. I don't want to hurt anyone. But I was hurting all the time.

I do urge you to stay. There are some really good debates, some awful arguments, then things get patched up. If someone is trolling and bringing people down for the sake of it.............they soon find out that they are in the wrong company....Put up with the varying characters here. Some of them are extremely well versed in bible doctrine, some are just hurt and angry.....Stay.