Posts by umbertoecho

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I wish Geoffrey Jackson wasn't being questioned at all vs a video link...

by thedepressedsoul in

i'd rather them not even question him at this point.

by allowing a video link, they put the ball 100% in his court.

i don't get what they expect to accomplish by having a video link only.. 2. he won't feel any pressure.

umbertoecho

Yes, It can happen. I have no doubt that things like this have happened. Mr Jackson just happened to bring it up at the worst or best moment. I suppose I should have clarified what I meant. I mean it's very difficult to coach thoroughly a little child of say three or four into a consistent statement of abuse..........The authorities would be best at handling such things, they would have the nurses, equipment, experiences, there would be some good coming out this approach from both sides of that argument.

No religious society is capable of know what to do forensically and in terms of clinical forensics. This would have saved that poor guy from being abused by the society as well.

Leave it to those who really know what they are doing. I believe that is the safest policy we have to rely upon to date. I do understand that this was a rotten miscarriage of justice regarding the good old two witness thingy and that there was no way he could defend himself. I believe in leaving it to the experts, to establish if something has been lied about....Not a group of men, with absolutely no experience. I stands to reason that one would want an expert or four to help establish what really happened.

Back to Jackson. He was a bloody idiot to bring it up at that point though. He was alluding to the lying of children, when his is not qualified to do such a thing.

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How many here believed, down deep in your heart that the end would come in 1975?

by James Mixon in

i was straddling the fence on that one, just in case they were right.

i don't recall.

telling anyone this is your last chance.

umbertoecho

In 1975, I must have been out of the loop because I was busy working and doing other things. I must have missed that bit of the end of the world because it looked okay to me as far as I recall. Oh, that's right, I had nicked off, got away from the bloody JW family. They thought I was about to burn up I suppose.............I only found out about it later, much later. That was interesting. Yes, I was being shunned at the time for crimes against everything............I know, a bit of hyperbole, but I couldn't help it and I'm so tired lately. Can't sleep.......

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

umbertoecho

I have a small group of psychologists who have become interested in this religion and the evidence that came to light. Two psychiatrists are now more than ever curious about the reasons for certain "seemingly unfixable problems" they have encountered with young adult witness people and teenagers. These were in health care for vague reasons and depressions that really got so bad, they self harmed and a few died.

I have been very busy in my part of the world......Don't care what anyone thinks JW wise anymore...Just doing my bit. Printing out testimony, called four Women's Health Centres with information and links............Sometimes it takes a while, but someone will come across a confusing case, sometime and go Ah!! Who was that mad bitch who called that day talking about a RC, and where's her bloody number......oh! Here's the link and the testimony she posted...........small steps and giant leaps of faith, to be real corny

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

umbertoecho

Sofia Lose.

Try not to think that way if possible. You know there is usually a time when all sorts of revelations come out, on every level of our society. I can't lose faith for one second. I refuse to lose faith.

Please have some faith in the very basic good that resides in people. I know we read all about the bad as it seems to be all that is "newsworthy". But don't forget those billions who are good and although they are not in the media, it doesn't mean they, we, you..are without the power to effect changes.

Don't fall into listlessness.

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

umbertoecho

Every single comment you people have stated I agree with. Right now I am so exhausted and worn down I hardly know what to do. So much to do in the near future and a lot of pressure has been put upon me and I would say, many many others who are about to give evidence. I have been told this by good honest sources.

The really ugly bit is just about to begin. What you saw publicly was a good warm up folks.

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

umbertoecho

It has been against the law for decades in this country to "not" report a crime. Abuse is a crime. The WTBTS has called it "loose" conduct, sinning and what ever else they can drum up.

The RC is retro-active in nature as well. It is not simply going to look at what the WT does in the future, but what it did, with full knowledge in it's attempt to hide "crimes against children" in the past.

This means there will be court cases founded upon the things that were discovered at the commission. It was stated very early on by Justice McClellan that this was about "redress for past victims". Did anyone else here this? Because I did, and then I read it....It hardly matters anymore whether WT changes policy or not because the matter will be taken out of their hands. If a child is home schooled perhaps, suddenly......there is no way this will not alert some authority figure. Things will change, money will start floating out of their doors or banks or whatever.

The society will love this....they will call it the start of the Great Tribulation and go door to door preaching the same old crap, but this time, there may some problems on the horizon. I've got faith that this will not dry up into nothing.

I don't care what the WT does now. Jackson was a gutless lying witness who didn't even have the courage to admit what is in their own publications......."That they say they are god's mouthpiece on earth, or the FDS or some other bloated statement"

I have read and re read his testimony, I have close up knowledge that he was not believed, and to go a step further, NO one at the commission believed the lying elders on the stand. That included the sudden bouts of memory loss......So go ahead WTBTS and carry on as usual, you will soon be selling off more properties, you have completely proven to this person that you are liars once and for all.........

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Introducing Myself

by Peony in

i've finally got round to joining the site (after over 2 years lurking!

i was born into jws, pioneered for 10 years (met my husband at pioneer school).

had health issues that saw me catapulted away from 'the centre of the cong' and wow what a different place that was!

umbertoecho

Hello and welcome. I have been treated well here. No attacks upon my feelings. A generally good place to vent if need be and a good place to find out what is going on. In this it is excellent, for many people find out what is coming before it is officially announced. This is a good site, not cruel or arrogant....Take excellent care of your selves.

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Elderly widows targeted, convinced to sign over Power of Attorney and Personal Representative of Estate

by Stop.the.abusers in

i discovered that my 96-year-old grandaunt had named her jw elder as personal representative of her estate and another jw "best friend" as her power of attorney.

i learned that they used a financial advisor at wells fargo advisors to help raid my grandaunts bank accounts in the years before her death, and then the wt and jws received most of what was left of her estate.

i am currently working on a book to expose this horrific practice.

umbertoecho

Oh.........I just don't have the words to express how sorry I am for your' Aunt and for you. And I do think you have done the absolutely right thing in putting this up...It's a dark dark side of people and considering there is this religious side to it......It becomes uglier...exposure is the best way to go. Your' attempt to bring this out is outstandingly just and I hope you raise awareness...so sorry..

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Elderly widows targeted, convinced to sign over Power of Attorney and Personal Representative of Estate

by Stop.the.abusers in

i discovered that my 96-year-old grandaunt had named her jw elder as personal representative of her estate and another jw "best friend" as her power of attorney.

i learned that they used a financial advisor at wells fargo advisors to help raid my grandaunts bank accounts in the years before her death, and then the wt and jws received most of what was left of her estate.

i am currently working on a book to expose this horrific practice.

umbertoecho

Oh God I'm going to hate it but I promise to watch it. Just letting you know that I have heard of this but not had a personal experience.......Going to watch it now....Thank you for having the guts to post it.

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Phone call straight after the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

straight after the commission ended today within minutes, the phone rang.

it was one of the people who are working on it.

firstly she established if i was alright and did i want to talk.. i said i was too tired and unhappy that geoffrey jackson managed to do some preaching....she said they were aware of that.

umbertoecho

Wow defender of truth.

What medication was this person on? Because I would like some too......

There is an almost "worshipping" of these men. What in the hell is wrong with them?

Nah! Don't answer that...........