"I can see it was painful for you as you were telling me this"
Dumplin, that was the strong impression I had. Although he had been brave, he was still a victim of the shunning and had built his life up, despite this ostracism. No one could see his face and his voice was measured. I felt the woman conducting the interview was wise to let the listening audience know that this was "hard" on him. She was smart to say what she said and without being condescending in any way......