JW's say they don't have a clergy class, whay do you think?..

by Hecklerboy 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • Hecklerboy

    I remember back 8 years ago when I left the organization the elders were being called "Jehovah's special appointed ones". At least I think that's what it was. I thought to myself that this was starting to become a clergy class. I mean if that doesn't set you about the rest of the flock, I don't know what does. Then that got me thinking about all the positions like DO, CO, Edler, MS, Pioneer, Aux. Pioneer. All having a certain prestige to them. The more I think about it now, the more I'm convince that they definetly have a clergy class. What other evidence can you think of that proves they do indeed have a clergy class?

  • mkr32208

    I think you pretty much covered it... There was another thread not to long ago about the "front of the hall clique" I think thats evidence as well they have special seats not just for the clergy but for the family of the clergy as well... Pretty f*cked up!

  • upside/down

    I actually asked this question years ago of a fine elder and he readily admitted that the WTS does indeed have a "clergy" class, they just don't tout it as such ex;

    Bethelites: food, clothing , shelter, provided

    CO's, DO's: really good food, clothing, shelter, wheels, $$$ (under the table of course). My one good buddy went to MTS then became a CO and he told me that the $$ given to him alone was more than he made EVER while he worked. His wife got pregnant and he had enough $$ to buy a house.

    Special Pio's: $$$

    Missionaries: All of the above.

    Of course the Dubs will claim that they don't get that much... that is irrelevant- THEY ARE STILL A PAID CLERGY.

    Don't you love how they will split hairs on things dear to their heart (wedding rings, annniv. etc) but ignore the out n out hypocricy?


  • unclebruce
    Mr 32208: said: think you pretty much covered it...

    Didn't even scratch it folks!

    Check what CTR himself said.


    Focus covered it:

    Another prominent mark of the beast .. is the honoring of the special class, the clergy, with special honors and titles. They are known as Revs., Divines, etc., but Jesus, the divine, said: 'Ye call me Lord and Master, and ye say well, for so I am.' 'Be not ye called Rabbi, neither be ye called Masters, for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren (Matt. 23:8). These titles are assumptions fashioned after those of Papacy."

    - Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, January 1880, p6-7 - the words are those of Charles Taze Russell, the first President of the Watchtower Society. The Watchtower Society has had six Presidents. Let us look at the "Classes" invented or officially used by just one of them - the same Charles Taze Russell:

    144,000 Class
    20,736,000,000 Class
    Abel Class
    Achan Class
    Aggressive Class
    Altar Class
    Amaziah Class
    Ammonite Class
    Amos Class
    Ancient Class
    Ancient Worthy Class
    Anointed Class
    Anointed Remnant Class
    Antagonistic Class
    Anti-pas Class
    Antitypical Levite Class
    Apostatized Class
    Apostle Class
    Arisen Class
    Aryan Class
    Beloved Class
    Betrothed Class
    Bird Class
    Bitter Class
    Blemished Class
    Body Class
    Bride Class
    Bridegroom Class
    Brier Class
    Brother Class
    Caleb Class
    Camp Class
    Carnal-Minded Babes In Christ Class
    Chaff Class
    Changers Class
    Chief Class
    Chieftain Class
    Child Of God Class
    Childlike Class
    Chosen Class
    Christ Class
    Christian Sanctuary Class
    Christiania Class
    Church Class
    Churchianity Class
    Composite Class
    Conqueror Class
    Consecrated Class
    Cream Class
    Created Class
    Creditor Class
    Critic Class
    Cultured Class
    Dan Class
    Dangerous Class
    Darkened Class
    David Class
    Dead Class
    Debtor Class
    Deceived Class
    Dependent Class
    Depraved Class
    Desirable Class
    Dictator Class
    Dignified Class
    Disciple Class
    Disfavored Class
    Dishonorable Class
    Dispensable Class
    Disreputable Class
    Dog Class
    Eagle Class
    Earthly Class
    Earthly Hope Class
    Edom-Idumea Class
    Edomite Class
    Elder Class
    Elect Bride Class
    Elect Class
    Elijah Class
    Elijah-John-The-Baptist Class
    Elijah-Like Class
    Elisha Class
    Enthroned Class
    Envious Class
    Esau Class
    Esther Class
    Eunuch Class
    Evil Slave Class
    Exalted Class
    Ezekiel 44 'Gate Shut' Class
    Ezekiel Class
    Faith Class
    Faithful and Discreet Servant Class
    Faithful and Discreet Slave Class
    Faithful and Discreet Steward Class
    Faithful and Wise Servant Class
    Faithful and Wise Steward Class
    Faithful Class
    Favorable Class
    Favored Class
    Feet Class
    Fighting Class
    First Class
    First-Born Class
    Firstfruit Class
    Flock Class
    Foolish Virgin Class
    Foreknown Class
    Fourth Class
    Gershonites Class
    Glorified Class
    Glorious Class
    Goat Class
    Goats Class
    Gold Class
    Governing Class
    Great Class
    Great Company Class
    Great Crowd Class
    Great Multitude Class
    Great Restitution Class Great Teacher Class
    Groom Class
    Ground Class
    Harvest Class
    Heavenly Class
    Heavenly Hope Class
    High Angel Class
    Higher Class
    Highest Class
    Hireling Class
    His Bride Class
    His Jewel Class
    Holier Class
    Holiness Class
    Honored Class
    Hopeless Class
    Humble Class
    Hypocrite Class
    Improper Class
    Infant Class
    Influential Class
    Inspired Class
    Intractable Class Isaac Class
    Ishmael Class
    Israel Class
    Jacob Class
    Jehu Class
    Jeremiah Class
    Jerusalem Class
    Jew Class
    Jewel Class
    Job Class
    John Class
    Joint-Heir Class
    Jonadab Class
    Jonathan Class
    Joshua Class
    Judas Class
    Judge Class
    Justified Class
    King Class
    Kingdom Class
    Kingly Class
    Laity Class
    Lapsing Class
    Large Class
    Lazarus Class
    Levite Class
    Levitical Class
    Little Class
    Lord Class
    Lordly Class
    Lords over God's Heritage Class
    Lower Class
    Lowest Class
    Loyal Class
    Lunatic Class
    Man Of Perdition Class
    Man Of The True God Class
    Man With the Writer's Inkhorn Class
    Many Class
    Mediator Class
    Messiah Class
    Messianic Class
    Millennial Age Class
    Ministers of the Gospel Class
    Minor Class
    Mordecai Class
    Mordecai-Esther Class
    Moses Class
    Mustard Seed Class
    My Bride Class
    Mystery Class
    Naomi Class
    Needy Class
    Neglected Class
    Nehemiah Class
    Nephilim Class
    Nethinim Class
    Nicodemus Class
    Nominal Class
    Nominal Temple Class
    Non-Elect Class
    Numerous Class
    Obedient Class
    Obscure Class
    Official Class
    Opposite Class
    Opposition Class
    Ostracized Class
    Other Sheep Class
    Outcast Class
    Overcomer Class
    Overcoming Class
    Parent Class
    Pastor Russell Class
    Peculiar Class
    Penitent Class
    Permanent Class
    Peter Class
    Pharisaical Class
    Pharisee Class
    Philistine Class
    Preacher's Class
    Preaching Class
    Priest Class
    Priesthood Class
    Priestly Class
    Principal Class
    Prodigal Class
    Prophet Class
    'Prophet' Class
    Prophetic Class
    Prophet-like Class
    Putty Class
    Reformer Class
    Reigning Class
    Religious Class
    Remnant Class
    Reproached Bullock Class
    Reputable Class
    Resident Class
    Restitution Class
    Restless Opposition Class
    Royal Class
    Running Class
    Ruth Class
    Ruth-Naomi Class
    Sadducees Class
    Saint Class
    Saintly Class
    Salt Class
    Salter Class
    Samaritan Class
    Sanctified Class
    Sanctuary Class
    Saul Class
    Scapegoat Class
    Sea Class
    Seashore Class
    Second Class
    Second Company Class
    Second Death Class
    Secondary Class
    Seed Class
    Seeking Class
    Select Class
    Separate Class
    Servant Class
    Servants of the City Class
    Sheep Class
    Silver Class
    Simon Magus Class
    Sinner Class
    Sister Class
    Slave Class
    Son Of Heaven Class
    Special Class
    Specific Class
    Spirit-Begotten Class
    Spiritual Adultery Class
    Spiritual Class
    Splendid Class
    Spurious Class
    Standfaster Class
    Steward Class
    Submerged Class
    Subordinate Class
    Subsidiary Class
    Suitable Class
    Superior Class
    Swine Class
    Tare Class
    Tarried Class
    Temple Class
    'The Man in Linen' Class
    'Thee' Class
    Third Class
    Tribulation Class
    True Bride Class
    True Wheat Class
    Unfaithful Class
    Unprincipled Class
    Unsaved Non-Elect Infant Class
    Unsuitable Class
    Upper Class
    'Us' Class
    Vile Class Viper Class
    Virgin Class
    Watchman Class
    Wheat Class
    Wicked and Slothful Servant Class
    Wicked Class
    Winnowing Class
    Wise Virgin Class
    Worldly Class
    Worst Class
    Worthies Class
    Zealous Class
    Zerubbabel Class
    Zionistic Class

    What chaos! A total of 325 Classes (and more may be discovered - my sifting work is not quite completed; I am tarrying awhile), drawn only from the published writings of just the Watchtower's first president (including a handful drawn from his one "posthumous" work) - all OFFICIAL WATCHTOWER SOCIETY PUBLICATIONS.

    Bear in mind that: "God is not the author of confusion" - 1 Cor. 14:33 And further - all these classes from the same person - the very founder of the Watchtower Society - who attacked the Catholic church for having classes! Here is what Lord Jesus Christ said to men like this shameful founder of the Watchtower Cult: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5 And here is the clear scriptural warning to brainwashed Jehovah's Witnesses, following as they do an insane, blasphemous, dangerous, wicked, mind-controlling, soul-destroying cult that is based on the teachings of the amazingly presumptuous HYPOCRITE (as proven above)

    Charles Taze Russell: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4

    The Watchtower Society and the Creed of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a CHEAT, a 100% SCAM, a WICKED TRICK, a FILTHY LIE, a BLASPHEMOUS INSULT, a SCANDAL, a FRAUD, a DISGRACE, an ABOMINATION and a DAMNED OUTRAGE from start to finish. Why argue about it?
    Focus(There's One Born Every Minute! Class)


  • blondie


    The WTS says they have no clergy class except when it comes to invoking laws on reporting child sexual abuse and hiding behind the clergy-penitent confidentiality laws.

  • proplog2

    A worker is worthy of his wages. The problem with JW's is that they DON'T have a paid clergy.

    The apostle Paul didn't ask for money. He bragged about that. He could only brag about that because he was the exception. What's wrong with having professional teachers. You get what you pay for. No paid teachers means hours of boring meetings.

    The responsibilities of shepherding the flock are too burdensome to be peformed properly by part-time servants. The best teachers are side lined because they have to earn a living and take care of their families.

    There is nothing unscriptural or inherently evil about having paid church workers. And I don't mean $100 per month . How about a living wage. The idea of - you receive free-give free doesn't mean truth is cheap. Think about that last "free ware" you tried to run on your computer.

  • upside/down

    proplog2- No paid clergy? Look again.

    yeah maybe no paid elders( I thought the CO was nothing more than a traveling elder?)... but not no paid clergy(class)?

    The "heavies" as the Dubs are fond of saying live quite well for free. As far as meeting parts being of higher quality if they were paid better- you're joking right? It's all SCRIPTED... didn't you ever give a part? Personality is the only thing to "spice" it up... and that can't be "bought".

    That's like saying our soldiers don't get paid because they get very little "cash". But everything else is provided!

    The CO gets a car, health insurance, steak & lobster (if he's on one of those "special" diets) retirement, tax free cash in the form of "gifts"etc etc.

    Yet when I was almost in the streets due to some unforeseen hardship- the WTS or it's "reps" DID NOTHING TO HELP. I almost ended up in the f*ckin streeet. Who helped- the Catholic Church! that I resigned from 20 years ago when I became a Dub! They didn't make me jump through any hoops or make me "come back", they helped no questions asked!

    F*ck the Dubs, thier invisible "non_clergy class" and their hypocrisy!


  • TresHappy

    The clergy class, only when it's convenient!

  • badboy

    Who were the Aryan Class?

  • eyeslice

    When on my way out, and in a moment of despair and frustration, I said to some elders; "we have more ranks in the organisation than the miltary!"


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