..even so, it seems to me that God still feels like he deserves love/worship from everyone or else.. at least that's my impression.
Most of the OT references were specifically to the nation of Israel, and the NT ones to the Christians. Widening the scope for a moment, does the Koran apply to those outwith the Muslim faith?
Nice to see that you didn't fail to focus on the most interesting part of my post.
There was nothing to add. I mostly agreed with you
Oh please. And your elaborated allusion to a metaphor is not a metaphor? Whatever the source of the metaphor, my points about how it works remain valid.
I agree with the validity of most of your points. I just continued to use the metaphor in the manner in which it appears to have been originally used. What's the problem with that?
Maybe re-reading my original post in a more neutral light might help you, because I wasn't personally offended (emphasis added), and hope that you aren't:
LT wrote: Whilst the points raised may, or may not, have merit. I'm at odds to point out that the manner in which this topic is being discussed may be construed as offensive.
Whatever happened to have a modicum of respect for people's belief's (however wild you may view them)?
If it's any consolation, I come out with similar kinds of comments on non-religious threads (even when my own understanding of something is diametrically opposed to the supported posters).
Didier:To be honest, I wasn't really ignoring your points, I was cogitating on them (and still am)
As ever, they are enlightneing. Incidentally, on a side note, I'm really enjoying "Sociology of Early Palestinian Christianity". Thanks for recommending it.
I thought you were acquainted with the guy who said: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
But wasn't that God abandoning God?
Just in case, I've got a few other quotations (especially though not exclusively from the Psalms) along the same line... and without a happy ending.
That would appear to be the way that some interpreted it, though what was the recorded end result? I don't recall any that didn't ultimately have happy endings (as every story should go). I'd be happy to look at such accounts, though.
I don't think the eucharist is viewed as an offering to God anywhere in the N.T. This is later Christian theology. But Jesus' death is (as you are quite aware)...
And hence the Eucharist is a symbolic re-inactment of that?
Doesn't Paul take the symbology of the food sacrifices of the OT and apply them as shadows of the same? I'm just trying to establish some continuity, in respects of your comments on food sacrifices in the OT.
Actually Jewish monotheism everywhere (from Qumran to Philo) is struggling hard to make sense of the old religious expressions which do not seem to suit the only, spiritual, "God". Whence the expressions like "spiritual sacrifice," "sacrifice of praise," which appear also in the NT (e.g. Romans, Hebrews, 1 Peter).
Do you mean specifically in respects of the food sacrifices, or the evident polytheistic backdrop, as well?
"Mauvaise foi" (lit. "bad faith") has the shade of meaning of "insincerity," "disingenuousness," without being nearly so harsh. Anyway I meant it as a friendly joke, as you know...
And it was taken as intended
I come across similar encultured shades of meaning in Gaelic, that are lost in translation to English.
English also has some of it's own, when considering the light and friendly insults that are exchanged