Overpopulation in the "Paradise" Earth!

by Leolaia 61 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The concept being alluded to in Matthew 7:13-14 is this:

    "Michael turned the chariot and brought Abraham toward the east, to the first gate of heaven. And Abraham saw two ways. The first way was strait and narrow and the other broad and spacious. And he saw there two gates. One gate was broad, corresponding to the broad way, and one gate was strait, corresponding to the strait way. And outside the two gates of that place, they saw a man seated on a golden throne. And the appearance of that man was terrifying, like the Master's. And they saw many souls being driven by angels and being led through the broad gate, and they saw a few other souls and they were being brought by angels through the narrow gate....Then Abraham asked the archangel, 'My lord archangel, who is this most wondrous man, who is adorned in such glory, and sometimes he cries and wails while other times he rejoices and exults?' The incorporeal one replied, 'This is the first-formed Adam who is in such glory, and he looks at the world, since everyone has come from him. And when he sees many souls entering the strait gate, then he arises and sits on his throne rejoicing and exulting cheerfully, because this strait gate is the gate of the righteous, which leads to life, and those who enter through it come into Paradise. And when he sees many souls entering through the broad gate, then he pulls the hair of his head and casts himself on the ground crying ... for the broad gate is the gate of the sinners, which leads to destruction and to eternal punishment" (Testament of Abraham 1:1-11).

    Interesting, no?

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    So I am right. Thanks leo.

    We were saying how the "paradise" is not a paradise but a dystopia. Many go to a dytopia, and few to utopia. The "paradise" according to the watchtower will be filled with many. Which makes it definitely the road to destruction. The watchtower says the "paradise" will have a great war destroying many, and sending them to oblivion.

    Anyone disagree?

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    News flash I have found the qoute I have been looking for for years.

    ***

    w00 9/1 p. 16 Show a Waiting Attitude! ***

    God?s faithful worshipers know that Christ?s Millennial Reign is imminent. They are confident that they will see the end of death and disease. With eager anticipation they joyfully await the time when they will welcome back billions from the dead, including their dead loved ones.

    They finally nailed the death blow in the change from millions to billions. Think of it. Before they only taught millions will be ressurrected impling few non jws would be raised. There has never been anything close to a billion JWs! This shows plain as day the new doctrine is that billions of people will come back!

  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    I believe the numbers given, Families before our baby boom generation had between 8 to 13 children (not to mention the 2 to 4 dead before age 2)

    Multiply those for all those 6,000+ years. If was not for war and famine today we would be 100bil + !

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Nah, nah, nah, Cheech!

    Leo's done some proper research - that much i know, but your approach is simplistic to say the least. Try reading a few books on population history. there's some very straightforward ones put out by Penguin Press.

  • Atilla
    Atilla

    Besides modern Homo Sapiens, what about the resurrection of Homo Sapiens Sapiens or Homo Hablis or Homo Erectus, or Neanderthals, etc.? Right there is at least another million creatures.

    Don't they get the chance of being resurrected and evolving into perfect dubs?

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Thanks XQs, that is a great quote. Now we know approximately how many "billions" we should expect. Best estimates by population scientists would be at least 70 billions that God would have to resurrect, if Armageddon doesn't come soon...

  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    Time is ticking, we are adding xx every second!

    Jehovah is delaying Armagheddon in order for more to be saved

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    On the basis of that estimate, the population throughout all human history would be only some 14,000,000,000 persons. But suppose that many more than that have lived on the earth. Let us add 10,000,000,000 more persons and assume that a population of 24,000,000,000 is involved. Would there be room for them? Well, since the earth has over 36,000,000,000 acres, there would be more than an acre and a half of land for each person! But would an acre and a half be enough to produce the needed food? There is good reason to believe that only a fraction of that acre and a half per person would be needed for food, leaving room for recreation areas and sanctuaries for animal and plant life.

    Ezekiel3...thanks also for this great quote. Actually you would have to add more than 2.7 billion to the number because there have been a great number of people who were born and died between 1970 and 2003. The actual increase in population (the growth rate) is thus only a fraction of the total number of people born (the birth rate). And according to the Population Reference Bureau, earlier attempts to estimate the total number of people who were ever born woefully underestimated infant and childhood mortality. Populations were low compared to today, but that only masks a far, far higher birth rate to keep up with the mortality rate, as DaCheech noted. Based on a more accurate understanding of mortality and birth rates in pre-modern and indigenous societies (both hunter-gatherer and agricultural), as well as effect of disease and famine on population before modern medicine, it is now known that annual birth rates had to have been around 60-80 per 1,000 instead of the modern 23 per 1,000. That means that actually only 5% of the total number of people who ever lived are living now -- not the more optimistic 25%. So the Society has to prepare for five times the number of people that God will resurrect -- if these figures are in the right ballpark.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    56.7 Million people died in 2003.

    0.26 Million people became baptized in 2003.

    That means that death is forwarding more people to the new order than the JWs preaching work.

    If that is true about God wanting none to parish then JWs will have to stop preaching, or people stop dying.

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