I don't tend to take my current state of evolution too seriously, either
FIRST BORN of creation, the FIRST of the CREATION by GOD, would give no problems to anyone not demanding a trinity...
Is that the correct contextual translation for all passages that refer to this subject?
You know it's not...
.the idea that SON is as eternal as FATHER kind of makes those terms rediculous and absurd...unless one sees SON as part of and FATHER as source or whole...in which case, joint HEIRS of GOD with Christ--- my GOD and your GOD, we as Jesus brothers... being ONE just as Jesus and GOD are one...would make sense.
None of that is under discussion in the thread title. The point is merely whether "LOGOS" is involved in creating everything, or is "himself" part of that creation.
I think that if you cast the Trinitarian / Unitarian debate aside, for a moment, you'll find that the scriptures are clear on this. I will quickly add that this may or may not have anything to do with the reality of "God", but does have a direct bearing on the biblical interpretation of the thread at hand (vis "Was Jesus the first creation of God ?").